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We got nailed on Caribou Basin!

Last Saturday we were snowmobiling at Caribou Basin north of Revelstoke. No one in the group of five has been to this particular area before. My group has been coming out to Revelstoke to snowmobile from a range of 10 to 20 years, so we are aware of how the Caribou closures work. I looked at the Revelstoke club site to get the directions and to find out about the closures. So we woke up to clear skies Saturday and decide to explore somewhere new. So head up to Caribou staging area. The place was quite busy. We unload and head up we notice how well the trail is marked and take notice how the corridor is set up to the open area. We get to open area and start to tour around. We see a steep climb into the most eastern bowl. We get into the east bowl riding around. We decide to go down to this lake. I did mention to the group we need to pay close attention to any closure signs. So we dropped down to this small lake and go about another ½ mile not dropping down a lot so I was thinking we were ok to do so. There was also old track around so without seeing signs we feel pretty comfortable doing so. So we get to a wall of trees and we realize we can’t go any further. So we take a break in the sun.

Soon we hear a Helicopter and then see it overhead. It circles around us and then comes in lower and I realize it is going to land. It lands nearby and two guys in uniforms with hand guns and wearing MEC sunglasses come over to us. I then get the feeling something is wrong. He begins to tell us that we are in a closed area and he is going write us all tickets for $230 each. We plead with him that we had no idea that we were in a closed area and that there was no signs. He then gives us a break and tickets 3 out of 5 of us with $230 which totals $690 worth of fines. I’m just sick to my stomach can’t believe that we screw up like this. He also goes on to says that we should have used are GPS coordinates that are posted on the Revelstoke Snowmobile site to know where the boundaries were. They take a bunch of pictures of us and our snowmobiles. We ask who else is in the chopper besides the pilot they tell us someone from the Ministry of Environment is the chopper. He did not have the balls to show his face to us. So they finish writing up the ticket and we get back up to the open area. We spent the next 30 to 45 minutes searching for any signs that we may have missed. We found none.

So I get back home and decide to PM Powder Puff on here and tell her what happened. She put me in contact with the guy from the club who is working with the government on the Caribou closure boundaries. He tells me where we ticketed that the boundaries were not yet determined for that area and have not been signed. He also says that Government officials have stated that anybody that was in that area would not get ticketed until the boundaries were determined. I tell him about what the MEC sunglass wearing gun packing fish cop said about the GPS coordinates. He informs me that there is no GPS coordinates posted because the boundary has not been determined.

So it sounds like they just need to pay the Selkirk Helicopters rental with trying to trap us into paying tickets. This is not about saving Caribou it’s about making sledders look bad.

The 3 of us that were ticketed are disputing it. The hearing is supposed to be in Revelstoke. So it would be cheaper for us just to pay the tickets but that would make us guilty of something we are not.

I just thought I would share what how screwed up and corrupt the BC government is and how the sledders seem to always loose out in the name of saving the environment.

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Happy sledders just before we were nailed

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The visitors.

Link to video of Chopper getting the "us bad guys"
 
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If you win your case and proven innocent, I hope you are able to follow up with the Minister of the Environment so he realizes you were NOT in a closed area and that you should never have been ticketed. Otherwise all he'll be talking about is the "Take Down" to his friends, families, government officials etc. Set the record straight with the Minister and use the media as best you can to "Politely" advise the public etc you were not doing anything wrong. Good luck to you and keep us posted. Stand up for what you believe is right.
 
Funny thing about caribou basin, been riding there for ten years and have not seen 1 caribou or even any tracks. Sorry about your luck at least your truck and trailer aren't in the impound lot getting ready to be sold.
 
It is unfortunate you got busted, and you have every right to be pissed.
But to start calling the gov. corrupt is a bit harsh.

I am not saying the officials were just in giving you tickets, but my guess is they wanted to set a precident and get the word out to sledders to stay out,

or

There may have been a decision made recently which the locals have not been informed of. This does happen, there has been a big battle in our area over the Jumbo glacier and a proposed resort. We all found out a week ago in the news paper the approvals were given to the developers!

Seems odd to me the Minister would be in the chopper.

Go to court and plead your case, but find out all the current info on the area before you go.
 
It is unfortunate you got busted, and you have every right to be pissed.
But to start calling the gov. corrupt is a bit harsh.

I am not saying the officials were just in giving you tickets, but my guess is they wanted to set a precident and get the word out to sledders to stay out,

or

There may have been a decision made recently which the locals have not been informed of. This does happen, there has been a big battle in our area over the Jumbo glacier and a proposed resort. We all found out a week ago in the news paper the approvals were given to the developers!

Seems odd to me the Minister would be in the chopper.

Go to court and plead your case, but find out all the current info on the area before you go.

Pano-dude I think you need to go back and reread my post I think you missed some key points.
 
Pano-dude I think you need to go back and reread my post I think you missed some key points.


Yeah, like the signs that are not there, and the info that you were told from PP.

I think if they gave you a warning, and said that this area is in discussion to be closed, and to please refrain from riding until it is resolved.... I would take that as a valid warning to not go back.

But to fine you there, and you are in the right, I will support your trip there to fight and give us sledders a say in the "bullying" of us.

I am willing to donate 20$ towards your costs... (Gas money, hotel... etc.) Just let me know. Anyone else ready to step up to support this?
 
count me in for a $20 towards a court date and explanation, and this topic should go in the general section, as this is where the line gets drawn in the snow, boys. and on that note, raise me to $50 bucks towards the good fight. anything else give me a call 403-938-0930, dusty.
 
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I'll throw in $20 to help this as well. Want to keep riding BC and playing by the rules, just need a fair chance at knowing what the rules are and where to access the info.
 
Hire a local lawyer to make this go away. You can't afford not to fight this. When you win, and you will, then file a statement of claim against the fish cops in their personal name (not against the gov) for malicous prosecution.
 
also how come no one knows a lawyer that sleds, cause i've been watching for 1 for years no such luck.
 
Caribou closures

The thing I dont understand is when we access these back country areas we are usually using a logging road. Correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't logging actually remove the caribous food source? So it is ok to exploit the resources in the name of industry, but not for taxpayers recreation? That is not right. This whole caribou thing has been blown completely out of proportion, and is simply being used as a crutch for other backcountry users.
my .02

You need $20.00 I will pay as well, but if you can hire a laywer to protect all of our best interests I will chip in a hell of alot more!
 
Pano-dude I think you need to go back and reread my post I think you missed some key points.

Sorry, I understand what you posted, and I do not think you did anything wrong.

My post was not clear, too many wobbly pops.

I meant to end with "know all the current info on the area before you go to court".

Sounds like you definately got the shaft, good luck.
 
I'm in for $20. That sucks. Hopefully this won't spin off any negative publicity for sledders, if it does (and only if you win in court), the real story should be told as well (your side) maybe? Can't you apply for a change of venue from the court as well to have the location moved to more central location? don't know the law at all but I thought this could be done sometimes. Its too bad you guys didn't ask them for the location of the closure signs and then go and GPS those locations to prove that the signs aren't actually there. Its hard for them to argue their point when the information they suggest doesn't actually exist or isn't accessible. Is it possible the signs were buried? Make sure you get all photos from everyone and all your ducks in a row before going to court (if you go). Did you happen to get GPS co-ordinates of the area to prove you actually were in the right place? Just trying to help. Any info that you gathered will be ammo for you to refute the charges. Also, the pictures that the Wildlife officers took could be used to support your case as well. I believe that you have a right to examine evidence being used to charge you with a crime. Need to talk to a sledder friendly lawyer.

Good luck MBB! Let us know.
 
well that sucks...but I wonder how terrorized the Caribou were of the very loud helocopter riding around...maybe they should give themselves a ticket for disrupting these endagered animals!!

T
 
Wonder how many caribou were on the ski hill before the expansion.
I wonder how many pounds of drugs were moved through revy while the fish cops are pissing away a thousand bucks an hour on a chopper
Good work CSI wannabe's you really made a bust on those terrible evil sledders, I know i will sleep better tonight
 
Not to get off subject, but it's not the logging companies or industry that is hurting the caribou population either. In fact, the area in wich I live in MT was once upon a time vacant of Elk and Whitetails, but now thrives with both because of the logging throughout the 60's 70's and 80's. Since they've stopped, if anything has happened the amount of game is on the decline. We all know that the amount of foilage and feed in 10 feet of snow is minimum and will simply never support any substantial herd of caribou.

Sounds like a bummer deal for you guys. It seems to me if they want to put boundaries on areas we can't ride, then there should 100% no question where that boundary is. I think that 9 out of 10 of us will respect that line and not abuse the system. But it has to be marked. GPS is there job (using it to set a obvious blatent markers of unridable area). Count me in for the 20 too boys, anything to help the cause.
 
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