Hello folks.
I hate to see mass confusion, I know things have gotten alittle wild in injector oil world sense I mentioned I really prefer petroleum base oils verses synthetic.
And when I talked about the warranty on the Torque Master crankshafts.
Lets just say this, Polaris has had mass crankshaft failure on their 800 Big Block. for the most part NON of them are oil related ( so the comparrison to cat ) s not a fair one. The New Cat motor has a great bottom-end designed by qualified Suzuki engineers. where as Polaris has choosen a route of using people that are book smart and field stupid in the crankshaft & crankcase finish product. Polaris has a quality control problem. The 2000 to 2005 800 Big Block is one of the best 800's built to date ( The quality control is what has haunted it )
The warranty on the Torque Master crankshafts is for the most part a PTO - End Warranty ( thats where the Polaris failures have been )
Out of the hundreds of 800's cranks and Crankcase I have done there has been at least 17 - 800 Cases that failed to make the cut for a good core, And at least 12 - 800 cranks that had a frozen bearing in areas other then the PTO - Side we could not remove that rendered the crank junk and could not be used. And there have been welded cranks that could not be used. All that being said I have not called a customer and told him is core was junk ( I hold as close to the line as I can ) That the price you expected to pay when I call was exactly what you thought it was going to be.
And there has not been a warranty claim yet, Feel secure in your purchase of a Torque Master Bottom-end. If there is ever a warranty claim you can be sure that I will do everthing in my power to make sure you don't pay a cent.
So that being said, Run whatever oil makes you feel good.
#1 - Advertising - Believe NON of it.
#2 - Weather - Use a oil that is rated for the temp you operate your toys in. ( In other words ) Don't run your sled oil in your chain saw in the summer time. If you cut wood in the winter then the sled oil is fine.
#3 - And most important ( Use your head ) Common Sense. I am one of those people that if am at the hardware store and I am buying parts for my toilet and there are 3 different brands of the same part ( I am buying the most expensive one ) Only unless a friend or plumber I respect tells me that there is a brand out there thats priced for less and its also better. ( More expensive ) is normally better. But is better really needed all the time.............. Tell me this.........If your installing a mail box and you deside that your going to use a 4 foot diameter solid steel pole and bury it 20 five foot deep and concrete it in, to hold your mail box up............does this really make good sense ???
When it comes to Oil, I run expensive Valvoline Extreme Blue in my Dodge Cummins ( in the winter only ) and I go right back to the cheap sh!t in the summer. Why you ask............. Well
#1 - Cummins designed Extreme Blue for Valvoline for their diesel motors.
#2 - and most important in this comparrison - 15/40 weight Pretrolem base oil has a pour point at sub-zero temps that I am NOT comfortable with. ( in other words ) the oil does not flow fast enough thru the oil pump, or the crank and cam bearings. PERIOD . There is no 5/40 weight petroleum based oil rated for a diesel at minus 20 tha will allow a unplugged in diesel to start safely. This is where the synthetics are magic.
I only piss the money away when I think its needed.
My sleds get Castrol T2, Or Old Cat Green NON synthetic. PERIOD.
Remember this ..........I don't ride when its below zero ( my trucks got a heater ) my sled don't. So pour point means nothing to me in a sled.
If your wondering about how different oils pour in the cold...... Do a test yourself.
I do it all the time, just to see if things are acting the way to ADVERTISERS say they are.
get a pack of Dixie Cups and fill them 1/2 full, put them outside on the coldest day that you will actually ride and after a few hours pour them from cup to cup and see what you see. Try and imagin that oil gravity feeding to your oil pump ( and then your oil pump ) pumping it.
when it comes to 4 strokes ( Imagin this ) Your crankshaft is hollow and oil must be pumpped thru it from one end to the other and in doing so that oil MUIST make it thru .002 thou clearances in each and every bearing ( this is why oil presure is higher ) when the motors cold.
Remember this also - Most 4 strokes get their oiled from one end to the other ( this takes time ) and oil must flow freely for this to happen.
2 strokes normaly get it from many different fittings all at the same time. ( premix is magic ) as long as you understand the efects on jetting and the fuel injection systems of today.
So, That being said - Use your brains alittle now and then. Common sense goes along way ( if you don't feel you have any ) then ask one of your friends that does.
Every now and then we are going to make the wrong dession based on the situation were in.
That is called, .......... - Experience and College don't teach it.
Have a great winter everyone !!!!!
Dan
I hate to see mass confusion, I know things have gotten alittle wild in injector oil world sense I mentioned I really prefer petroleum base oils verses synthetic.
And when I talked about the warranty on the Torque Master crankshafts.
Lets just say this, Polaris has had mass crankshaft failure on their 800 Big Block. for the most part NON of them are oil related ( so the comparrison to cat ) s not a fair one. The New Cat motor has a great bottom-end designed by qualified Suzuki engineers. where as Polaris has choosen a route of using people that are book smart and field stupid in the crankshaft & crankcase finish product. Polaris has a quality control problem. The 2000 to 2005 800 Big Block is one of the best 800's built to date ( The quality control is what has haunted it )
The warranty on the Torque Master crankshafts is for the most part a PTO - End Warranty ( thats where the Polaris failures have been )
Out of the hundreds of 800's cranks and Crankcase I have done there has been at least 17 - 800 Cases that failed to make the cut for a good core, And at least 12 - 800 cranks that had a frozen bearing in areas other then the PTO - Side we could not remove that rendered the crank junk and could not be used. And there have been welded cranks that could not be used. All that being said I have not called a customer and told him is core was junk ( I hold as close to the line as I can ) That the price you expected to pay when I call was exactly what you thought it was going to be.
And there has not been a warranty claim yet, Feel secure in your purchase of a Torque Master Bottom-end. If there is ever a warranty claim you can be sure that I will do everthing in my power to make sure you don't pay a cent.
So that being said, Run whatever oil makes you feel good.
#1 - Advertising - Believe NON of it.
#2 - Weather - Use a oil that is rated for the temp you operate your toys in. ( In other words ) Don't run your sled oil in your chain saw in the summer time. If you cut wood in the winter then the sled oil is fine.
#3 - And most important ( Use your head ) Common Sense. I am one of those people that if am at the hardware store and I am buying parts for my toilet and there are 3 different brands of the same part ( I am buying the most expensive one ) Only unless a friend or plumber I respect tells me that there is a brand out there thats priced for less and its also better. ( More expensive ) is normally better. But is better really needed all the time.............. Tell me this.........If your installing a mail box and you deside that your going to use a 4 foot diameter solid steel pole and bury it 20 five foot deep and concrete it in, to hold your mail box up............does this really make good sense ???
When it comes to Oil, I run expensive Valvoline Extreme Blue in my Dodge Cummins ( in the winter only ) and I go right back to the cheap sh!t in the summer. Why you ask............. Well
#1 - Cummins designed Extreme Blue for Valvoline for their diesel motors.
#2 - and most important in this comparrison - 15/40 weight Pretrolem base oil has a pour point at sub-zero temps that I am NOT comfortable with. ( in other words ) the oil does not flow fast enough thru the oil pump, or the crank and cam bearings. PERIOD . There is no 5/40 weight petroleum based oil rated for a diesel at minus 20 tha will allow a unplugged in diesel to start safely. This is where the synthetics are magic.
I only piss the money away when I think its needed.
My sleds get Castrol T2, Or Old Cat Green NON synthetic. PERIOD.
Remember this ..........I don't ride when its below zero ( my trucks got a heater ) my sled don't. So pour point means nothing to me in a sled.
If your wondering about how different oils pour in the cold...... Do a test yourself.
I do it all the time, just to see if things are acting the way to ADVERTISERS say they are.
get a pack of Dixie Cups and fill them 1/2 full, put them outside on the coldest day that you will actually ride and after a few hours pour them from cup to cup and see what you see. Try and imagin that oil gravity feeding to your oil pump ( and then your oil pump ) pumping it.
when it comes to 4 strokes ( Imagin this ) Your crankshaft is hollow and oil must be pumpped thru it from one end to the other and in doing so that oil MUIST make it thru .002 thou clearances in each and every bearing ( this is why oil presure is higher ) when the motors cold.
Remember this also - Most 4 strokes get their oiled from one end to the other ( this takes time ) and oil must flow freely for this to happen.
2 strokes normaly get it from many different fittings all at the same time. ( premix is magic ) as long as you understand the efects on jetting and the fuel injection systems of today.
So, That being said - Use your brains alittle now and then. Common sense goes along way ( if you don't feel you have any ) then ask one of your friends that does.
Every now and then we are going to make the wrong dession based on the situation were in.
That is called, .......... - Experience and College don't teach it.
Have a great winter everyone !!!!!
Dan
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