We're headed down to Diamond on Sat. But I'll have a rookie rider on MY backup sled so we won't be trying anything to nasty, mostly putting miles on the sleds and getting him in tune with the 4 strokes so he'll know which one he wants to get for next season. Sandman.... I went out an got an Apex so I might be able to keep up with you and your riding style now- I even got a little gas rack for the rear just in case. Probably won't be this Sat with the other guy riding with me, But we got a lot of riding left this year even though I've read about some sissy's planning they're "last ride of the year"