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What's more important to break in: motor or quick drive belt... And why.

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So which do you break in, motor or quick drive belt?

Motor I believe in breaking in hard. But quick drive belt the manual says go easy.

I plan on breaking in the motor hard, would love to get into major deep snow but will likely be stuck on trails for a while first. Planning on plenty of wfo pulls.

So which one do you pick and why?
 
I wouldn't worry about the engine so much as the QuickDrive belt at first.

In deep snow, the "not hard braking or throttle" rule is less important than on trails.

BUT, you do need to let that belt cool and keep from getting hot until that factory wax is gone and the belt seats the cogs into the drive pulleys.

First tank of fuel on pistons.
100 miles on Quick Drive.
7 or 8 hours on engine break-in chip (200 miles?)


Once you get to 200 miles, you should be ALL finished with all break-in. Then you can go ahead and ride it like you plan to break it. LOL
:)
 
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Strong running motors are made in the first hour or two of running. Imo that requires full throttle, high loads and no synthetic oils (motoman method). So I guess you can choose between a strong motor and maybe ruining a belt or breaking in your belt and having a weak motor till your next top end.
 
How's the easiest way to put a good load on the motor while on a trail? Can ride the brake a little but that heats up pretty quick too.
 
Find some DEEP

For what it's worth I broke mine in the MOTO MAN way, was lucky enough(in hind sight) to find an ungroomed trail with 3'+ of heavy cascade snow on it and let er rip. Could not go anywhere unless you were WOT, on again off again. Put 35 miles on that day, almost empty when we got back to truck, but only 2.7 hrs on tach, but rode all day, lots of stopping to let drive belt cool, trading off and on with a buddy breaking trail. I figured the drive belt would lose some cogs but didn't care, I wanted the motor broke in good, I can always buy another belt. Now approaching 500 miles and no missing cogs and this motor runs. I have a 12' PRO with PAR Head and clutching, it does not hold it's own against this 13' which is still bone stock for the moment, after tomorrow it'll have a Silber on it, but seriously thought about not putting it on because of how strong this motor is now, only reason I am is cause I bought it. I was worried the deep snow that day would really hurt the engine/drivetrain, but I think just the opposite now. I will seek these conditions out next time I break in a sled if possible. Me and mt buddy joked that those 35 heavy deep trail miles were probably the same as 135 trail miles, I'm starting to think so. Good luck with yours, I don't think there's anyway you can go wrong, just maybe better in certain conditions. In the attached picture I took all the snow off one side after stopping for a pic to show depth, this was 12 miles up the trail

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How's the easiest way to put a good load on the motor while on a trail? Can ride the brake a little but that heats up pretty quick too.

I would not ride the brake at all, I've noticed it can get the top sprocket hot pretty fast and that can't be good for the belt.
Maybe you could put some heavier weights in to load the motor more and then just do as much wot as you can.
 
I broke in my 13 engine the Motoman way, takes a very short time. There really isn't a huge load on the engine, basically just accelerating the mass of you and the sled. Been babying the belt ever since. Pisses me off that I need to spend 2-3 DAYS breaking in a freaking belt. What's that in gas and more importantly, my time. Should bill Polaris. This whole deal is just crap Polaris engineering. You could also break in your engine, ride back to the truck and put a new belt on. Save the other one for your spare. Got that from Loudhandle.
 
Agree. I don't have the luxury of time since I only get a week a year out west. Last thing I want to do is piss away that much time waiting for everything to wear in. Reality is I am only going to give it a day whether it's on a trail or in the back country . But to get to the powder, I have to ride trail... So that's where my dilemma was.

For a "trail" break in, what I'm hearing is lots of acceleration/wfo bursts the first 10-20 miles or more and be sure to let the quick drive belt cool off throughout the process.
 
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MO, for breaking in the drive belt, stay off the packed trail. Virgin lines where you can spin the track with the flip of the thumb seems to me will create the least shock loads the belt. You could combine this with the "Motoman" break-in theory in fresh snow by just being a little slower to full throttle and a little slower to release throttle (ease it on and off).
To me the most important thing is to let the belt cool while the production tolerances for tension are absorbed by the belt during break-in. From Poo's point of view, 100 miles is enough for the worst case scenario. MO is the fatter part of the Bell curve (most production units) will probably be okay to go in less miles (remember that's just my opinion).

If you break- in on a packed trail you will naturally tend to go off trail (got a deep snow machine right lol). As you leave the path and enter the snow you give it a squirt and spin the track up to 50mph then return to the trail and suddenly your track speed drops to 25mph as your track finds the traction. Then you do it again and again.
Even with light throttle, I believe these are exactly the kind of load spikes on the toothed belt you want to stay away from during break-in. Remember the belt wants to climb out of the top sprocket and until the unique Poo design gets a chance to form it`s "pockets" in the sprocket and belt teeth you need to stay away from sudden traction or HP changes.
It,s simple really and should not take a day of fun away. Just pretend you have a 500 fan the first day (if you can remember way back when LOL), then a 600 the second day, and finally, breaking in a sled the third day.

As for engine break-in, if your dealer or you let the engine idle for longer than it takes to just warm up, according to Motoman you've already lost your chance at the ultimate break-in.
Motoman's pictures are of a 4strk. I believe the oil added into the two stroke makes it a little different because the oil helps so much in ring seal and slight imperfections. Also ports come into the picture on every stroke. My experience has shown me that port chamfer is more important for ring seal than any kind of break-in.
Any kind of irregularity here and light throttle break-in over a longer period of time is best for the long run on your rings.

Again, IMO, if you have not disassembled your engines and compared wear, clearances and sealing with both theorys of break-in on a stock motor, you really don't know for sure. Just MO.
I have disassembled many, many motors after break-in. Being a racer-mech. on a small factory bike team back then, we built motors all winter. A dozen blue printed, hand assembled engines, a dozen extra sets of jugs and pistons and 1/2 a dozen cranks, for a 3 man team was just a start some years.
Everything needed to be run in and disassembled, inspected and either put into boxes for later or reassembled for first race.
Break-in. One of the riders was a old guy (lol young to me today) who learned his trade in Europe, one grew up on bikes, and me (a lucky rider). The old guy warmed up his tires- engine and took lines that kept his speed at less throttle, me I wheelied out of the pits and always needed brake rebuilds lol.
I got to tear-down these identical engines that were broken in in 3 different ways and never saw a difference in blow by or power on the dyno.

Just like everything in this world there is always an alternative point of view
 
Oil for Breakin

What oil is everyone using for breakin. I was at the local polaris dealer & they only carry semi & full synthetic polaris oil. I was going to fill the bottle with polaris gold (Full Synthetic) & put half a quart of polaris semi in the tank.
 
So I've got about 60 miles on the Pro , and it's still in one big piece. I broke in the engine the Motoman way. 10th snow mobile engine in 3 years we have done this way. They have a ll seemed to run strong with ZERO problems in any of them. There is no science to back this up. I haven't torn them down, dynoed them next to engines broke in the slow way or anything else. So it's just anecdotal evidence and personal experience which is worth exactly what I am charging for it. Nothing. One thing to remember is Motoman says to coast out the machine after a power run with the throttle chopped. He says this generates a strong vacuum in the engine which helps to pull all the little metal bits off the pistons and cylinder walls and expell them out the exhaust. The trail is the best place to do this. Off trail a sled isn't going to coast at all. FWIW. Still babying the belt as much as I can. Had one long pull out of a hole in bottomless pow yesterday and still have all my teeth. Belt teeth.
 
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