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What kind of motorsports company GLUES their products together?

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Matte Murder

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Here is quote from Dr Ulrich Bez the CEO of Aston Martin when asked questions about the new Aston Martin Vanquish supercar.
"For example our cars use bonded("glued") aluminum extrusions and I have not found any technology which is more advanced. This is the most modern, advanced way to make a lightweight structure. That's why it's used in aircraft".
I figured Polaris did it because it was cheap and easy, not the "most modern advanced way". So it looks like the technology is good and I questioned that a lot. If it's good enough for a $300,000 supercar it ought to be good enough for a $12,000 snow machine. Now we have to see if it's a design or execution error.
 
As others have said, most driveshafts on high performance cars are now bonded togther using glues and they have a lot more power than any of our sleds do.
 
When I saw the thread title, I wasn't sure which way it would go in here. Lol

I do like your point.

Nobody seemed to have a problem with the adhesive on the bulkhead and chaincase, etc the last two seasons.

I'm just waiting to see how this "situation" develops before I draw any conclusions. Not flying off the handle.
 
Scott said:
When I saw the thread title, I wasn't sure which way it would go in here. Lol

I do like your point.

Nobody seemed to have a problem with the adhesive on the bulkhead and chaincase, etc the last two seasons.

I'm just waiting to see how this "situation" develops before I draw any conclusions. Not flying off the handle.
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LOl. you and a lot of others thought the same thing. Matte likes to keep us on the edge!
 
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i dont doubt other mfgs will follow with the glue method.
as with about 99% of issues on sleds its cheaply made parts or the guy thats hungover putting it together.
Axle on my sled wasnt machined to length (had saw cut) so the wouldnt pinch on the rails.
 
Matte Murder said:
Here is quote from Dr Ulrich Bez the CEO of Aston Martin when asked questions about the new Aston Martin Vanquish supercar.
"For example our cars use bonded("glued") aluminum extrusions and I have not found any technology which is more advanced. This is the most modern, advanced way to make a lightweight structure. That's why it's used in aircraft".
I figured Polaris did it because it was cheap and easy, not the "most modern advanced way". So it looks like the technology is good and I questioned that a lot. If it's good enough for a $300,000 supercar it ought to be good enough for a $12,000 snow machine. Now we have to see if it's a design or execution error.
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I too thought this was going to be yet another negative thread! Seems like all doom and gloom lately on the segment for the best sled on snow.
Good technology when applied properly!
Bring on the snow!!!!
 
My money is on the glue being improperly mixed.

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Well just got off the phone with a buddy that broke his and the glue is hard, but talked to another guy that saw a new sled with no glue at all in the joint.
 
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****ing hell never new that welds and bolts NEVER fail.

They do if they are not used properly such as poor weld penetration, and not properly torqued


The glue was either not mixed properly or set properly.
 
Yep, almost didn't open it because I thought it was a negative thread then decided to open it to tell whoever started it to go get on some other forum! We all asked for the lightest most powerful most manueverable sled that could be mass produced and (except for power) Polaris has produced! Yes there are going to be bugs and I feel really bad for the guys who are doing the beta testing on the first production runs but man what a machine! As others have pointed out there is a big difference between hand built demo sleds and runs coming off the assembly line. I'm sure Polaris will get it sorted out. Hopefully sooner rather than later. For now let's all take a chill pill and pray for snow! (oh, and I am skipping the '13 model year - that was in the plan before all the bashing started. Kinda thought maybe that new drive system needed a year to work all the bugs out.) Damn - looks like I might be right ; (
 
I feel for the guys missing out jumping on the hysteria wagon. Couple now I have read have cancelled their snowchecks etc etc. That is just crazy non-sense. Missing out on something completely awesome IMO.
 
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Couple now I have read have cancelled their snowchecks etc etc. That is just crazy non-sense. Missing out on something completely awesome IMO.
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indeed. i didnt pay for/pick up my sled until a couple weeks ago yet i didnt hesitate a bit on it. these sleds are going to RIP and it will be a killer year!
 
The quote says "This is the most modern, advanced way to make a lightweight structure" In the application were its used to make and the assmemble the overstucture on the pro I absolutly agree that the glue is a excellent way to go. Removing voids and increasing surface area in the joint is a no brainer. IMO theres a big difference between " structure " and drivtrain compnents.
 
This is gonna be a production error, i'm pretty sure, and is going to push my hatred of subcontracting overseas even further, because I'm willing to BET!!!! these shafts are not made in America, or Canada for that matter. Lets get some pride back in our products, quit looking at the bottom line! get our own people back to work and pump up the economy. Its frikin ridiculous that this is happening.
 
On the Aston Martin the glue is used to bond the body/chassis/subframes/bulkheads etc to each other. Some of this could be welded. The glue is used because it is better. Stronger, lighter, etc. This is a pretty heavy car with a powerful V12 engine. Think of the forces of a 2 ton automobile that can hit nearly 200mph and pull over a G on the brakes. Year after year in all the weather extremes and exposure to corrosive road salts and salt air. The Aston Martin engineers trust the process enough they are willing to bet their whole company on the bonds holding for decades. If the front end of even one car came apart at speed they would be sued for millions.
 
They Have been producing carbon fiber driveshafts
with bonded alum ends for NHRA Pro Stocker since 1998, their making about 1450 hp with no failures. I think it will work for me. (although they don't run in really cold weather)
 
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