very disappointed in you arctic cat guys

[HOOCH256]

Thats fine that some of you feel the way you feel, but guess what there are those of us who love the sled! It's no different then chevy/ford/dodge but you know what you couldn't give me a pile junk ford powerpuke! I don't care how much power they make they are junk and in the long run nothing I mean NOTHING runs like a cummins!

It's same damn old argument, I like my sled it fits the way I ride and I can not wait to boost it!


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[WyoBoy1000]

Thats fine that some of you feel the way you feel, but guess what there are those of us who love the sled! It's no different then chevy/ford/dodge but you know what you couldn't give me a pile junk ford powerpuke! I don't care how much power they make they are junk and in the long run nothing I mean NOTHING runs like a cummins!

It's same damn old argument, I like my sled it fits the way I ride and I can not wait to boost it!


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Come on, everyone knows for a work truck you want the drive train to hold up like a ford, powered by cummins, and drive like a chevy. Or if you want quick, duramax. If you want reliable you have to go back to the 02 cummins. Now the chit will get real deep this is like talking politic and mixing in religion, lol.
But really your comparison is not accurate, it would be like comparing a
1. car = ski doo = whatever
2. subaru= PC = pretty bad azz and all around fun, pretty solid
3. truck = M = it may not be the best but its solid and going to get the freakin job done one way or another
4. Trophy truck = Pro = gonna be fun but might break

 

[CatRpillar]

And after another day of moaning still no answers. So if the poo is so righteous what is the differences in the sleds that gives the poo its feel that some of you get woodies over?

Sorry wyo if I dont have answers but hey, just trying to improve the breed by enlightening the great unwashed and warning them. That village of 15 that you live in must sit around the coffee shop and yap alot.

 

[ACMtnCat]

And after another day of moaning still no answers. So if the poo is so righteous what is the differences in the sleds that gives the poo its feel that some of you get woodies over?

Holy fawk dude! Can't you read? Wyo posts it every fkn day! I just listed in my last post! Read man read!!!!!

 

[KSH]

Damn, We Need
SNOW

 

[CatRpillar]

Holy fawk dude! Can't you read? Wyo posts it every fkn day! I just listed in my last post! Read man read!!!!!

So new skis, new running boards and new spindles turn the PC into a better sidehiller than a Pro? And we've known this since earlier this year? And we're still griping.

Ok, if you say so. So all the discussion about Poo having better geometry, better bulkhead design, less weight - none of which you mention - are moot I guess. Problem solved then. Geez, can I hire you guys to present executive summaries - in five thousand post or less? Lol

I can fawking read, learn to fawking write.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

LMFAO.

What we need is a mtn chassis. that would be start.

 

[aksnopro]

Unlike ppl like AK, (no offense but this isn't the first thing) that just figured out after a year the M and HCR have the same suspension travel. wtf, at some point you have to stop and think, when someone tell me something like that I stop and think is he right, then ask ???'s until I know weather they are or not. At that point I say something.

Your kidding me right wyo, you act like you know everything, i like your input but every time you step over a line and get all cocky and offend people... Thats the bs part......

We like your input we hate your im gods gift to sleds mentality, i am
Learning every day i read about sleds online. I know im not gods gift to sledding, your really gonna claim that people dont think the sled needs tighter steering radius and the belt issues ect ect?? hahaha that **** is laughable man you went there!???? Wtf you act like your single handedly fixed all the issues, pretty sure WE have been on here helping in anyway WE can too.

One major difference between me and you is i am Able To have just as much fun on a rev, poo, or cat, at the end of the ride i would be thinking about everything badass i thought about it, you would be analyzing everything you hated about it.... My mentality lets me live every day happier with everything i have...

Nobody's calling bs on the steering, the width, ect ect, were just still happy to rip the new sled, i could have wrenched for half a season to get the sled where it could be, or i just ride the damn thing and grin from ear to ear most my mods are for reliability, rest i adapt an have a ton of fun!

Even if my sleds not as capable i know i have more fun then you muaha!

So to continue this shock debate your telling me 9" of travel on the 43 " stance is just as good of dampening as the 38" stance?

Im no shock specialist but my guess is more shock travel = better dampening, and cooler operating.

When i say shock travel i mean shock travel not suspension travel.

Now i could go do couple hours of research before posting that wyo, or i could just wait for you who will do it for me cause you never post anything that isn't proven.

I don't read and post on this forum because i know everything i post to learn, and have what i know challenged or maybe a better way then i know to do stuff is learned,

bcil correct me im wrong in this thinking but in my head the shock does travel farther giving you more dampening in the same given suspension travel?


-Aksnopro

 

[backcountryislife]

a major step up the pro had is it was never intended to hold a 4 stroke

We're talking about mountain sleds here... 4 strokes aren't even part of the equation.

In the years I've been riding I've had one buddy dumb enough to buy a 4 stroke, and I've seen him ride it 2 times.

4 strokes aren't mountain sleds, and I couldn't give a crap less about what they did to this sled because of the 4 stroke. They couldn't even be bothered to give us a real oil tank because of that stupid azz motor.

Sick of hearing that excuse, as if it benefits us in some way... IT DOESN'T.


If it saved US $1000 to have a 4 stroke chassis that would be one thing, but it didn't. The ONLY reason they did that is for the shareholders, it has NOTHING to do with making a good sled.

F*** four strokes

 

[WyoBoy1000]

AK, the fact is you really don't know the difference. That is what I'm pointing out. To add if I was so cocky and blind I would be the one saying its the best thing ever. But because I am Open minded, Humble, (although not so much in stupid azz threads) I figure this stuff out faster than most. Also I do have a fix for everything but the clutching and I have never stated I did, just that there is a problem.

So if you agree it all could be fixed you have yet to agree with what some of us say.

Funny thing is to me its more like everyones justifications is turning the cat section into the poo mentality, bunch of whinners.

Stirrrrrrr.

AK, every ride I had last year I had a blast, just because I can keyboard jocky doesn't mean I can't have fun. Thats your assumption

 

[ACMtnCat]

So new skis, new running boards and new spindles turn the PC into a better sidehiller than a Pro? And we've known this since earlier this year? And we're still griping.

Ok, if you say so. So all the discussion about Poo having better geometry, better bulkhead design, less weight - none of which you mention - are moot I guess. Problem solved then. Geez, can I hire you guys to present executive summaries - in five thousand post or less? Lol

I can fawking read, learn to fawking write.

So your reading and comprehension score just flew off the charts! You have been reading and understanding the griping and constructive criticism you so badly want to go away!.

My list was things Cat could/should change to at least make an attempt at a mountain sled. We're not going to get a new chassis! Change what CAN BE CHANGED and lose weight in the process while increasing better handling. Win win!!! It's sooooo simple.

I'm a snowmobiler to the core, I am not an executive summarie writer!

 

[aksnopro]

your issue is you think its best for you its best for everyone, i stand with half my foot off the standing rail to make my 130 pound *** have the leverage to move the sled, so yes i do have my concerns with skinning them up for a gain i might only see at 55 degree slopes going down hill..

You run your handlebars low and skinny up your sled, i run my bars half way up and try an get my feet as wide as possible, im seriously not sure if making my sled skinnier would be beneficial to ME...

Your sled works best for what you do, your problem i see is you think everyones should be just like yours.

I would love to jump on your sled and test to see if it effected my leverage or not.

Cause im not doubting it helps increase the paneling out...

Im not going to argue with you about about the gain you found, but i rarely see the paneling out issue and will it effect my weights leverage on off camber landings and everywhere else i ride is it worth it. You weigh over 200 pounds thats a ton of leverage difference and floatation difference.

Our riding styles differ, weight, terrain, horsepower??!

Dont think people dont respect your ambition to make it what YOU like just make sure its for everyone before you try an sell it to everyone....

The steering is a no brainer, as are several other mods.

Thanks for your ambition and input im not hating on you wyo i really try an stay outside the box and think about ME when modding not you or brett rass....

-Aksnopro

 

[CatRpillar]

So your reading and comprehension score just flew off the charts! You have been reading and understanding the griping and constructive criticism you so badly want to go away!.

My list was things Cat could/should change to at least make an attempt at a mountain sled. We're not going to get a new chassis! Change what CAN BE CHANGED and lose weight in the process while increasing better handling. Win win!!! It's sooooo simple.

I'm a snowmobiler to the core, I am not an executive summarie writer!

I'm just reading what you're writing dude. After I asked what it would take to make the PC sidehill like a Poo you said:

Holy fawk dude! Can't you read? Wyo posts it every fkn day! I just listed in my last post! Read man read!!!!!

So now you're saying you didnt answer my question. So we've established you have trouble reading, writing and comprehending. And I'm supposed to believe you ride like Burandt and can troubleshoot better than Cats engineers. And Wyo states he's humble (the first sign of somebody who isnt). So you have me intrigued and wondering whether I should get you employment where I work - our plant makes more profit than the entire sledding industry grosses btw.

So if the secret is the chassis, and changing that is beyond your means, can you self proclaimed humble sled experts share your insights into the factors us more dense guys can comprehend so we can at least attempt to correct these things you care so deeply about?

Is it caster, camber, roll centers, torsional moment of inertia, damping rates, spring rates, weight distribution, panel width, unsprung weight, all the above, a combination, etc? Feel free to go into any level of detail.

 

[backcountryislife]

Wow... the level of dickishness increases as each new post shows up. Impressive.


This forum has just turned into such a POS lately... people attacking people because someone else talked smack about a machine.

Great thread btw.

 

[ACMtnCat]

I think it's pretty clear (by the number of Pro's being sold vs PC's being sold ) that wyo and two or three other guys are not the only ppl that like the mountain abilities and styling of the Pro vs PC.

Skis, hoods, seats, boards, handle bars, bumpers, a-arms, and one huge thing called....... WEIGHT! MOUNTAIN STYLING = MOUNTAIN WEIGHT! Polaris is listening to customer demand while Cat is not. Most people like light sleds that perform purpose built. Having to change a list of things to make it equal too competition is coming up SHORT!

And Polaris gets IT done with that junk motor.....? Oh and completely stock too! Ouch!!!!!!

That's second place guys! That sucks!

 

[HOOCH256]

Come on, everyone knows for a work truck you want the drive train to hold up like a ford, powered by cummins, and drive like a chevy. Or if you want quick, duramax. If you want reliable you have to go back to the 02 cummins. Now the chit will get real deep this is like talking politic and mixing in religion, lol.
But really your comparison is not accurate, it would be like comparing a
1. car = ski doo = whatever
2. subaru= PC = pretty bad azz and all around fun, pretty solid
3. truck = M = it may not be the best but its solid and going to get the freakin job done one way or another
4. Trophy truck = Pro = gonna be fun but might break

Sorry wyo but your comparison here sucks as well, all I was saying is poo/doo/cat is no different then chev/ford/dodge you get the same level of bias in both! Some have there strong points and weak points as well. But realistically buy what suits you not what someone tells you to buy, and def not what a bunch of dudes on a website hahahaha


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[Burn Down]

What the F were we even talking about? Oh ya bashing Proclimbs...
RELEASE THE CRACKEN!!!!

Seriously, I think its the chassis and front suspension. I was one of the guys that thought a Race chassis mountain sled would be the bomb... Well, careful what you wish for because thats what it is... I didn't fully realize that the riding style/terrain I prefer was pushing me closer and closer to a pro style chassis until the proclimb pushed me back a few steps.

A pro in the hands of a novice or intermediate, I can out ride or hang with them in the trees. A Pro in the hands of a good or expert rider, Adios Pro see you back at the truck... And the trees isn't the only place I got whipped. Nice big steep hill totally bald with about a foot and half of fresh powder and nice 6 foot base. 11' Pro 20 foot run to the base and straight up over the top. My Proclimb same 20 foot run right next to his track, stuck 3/4 of the way up. He went over 4 more times, I tried one more run and had to turn out 3/4 of the way up again... So much for more power and a better track.

I like riding with better riders and the Pro rmk because it pushes me to be better but it also shows the huge deficiencies in the sled Im currently on which by the way cost more than the Pro's I ride with... Im ok with not being as good a rider, I can work on that and do every ride. I get a little Pizzed off when I have to spend another 2000-3000 bucks to get down to Pro weight and try and fix a chassis with bandaids.

I don't think Wyo ever said his PC CHASSIS was better than the Pro but the mods he made allows him to keep it closer and let the extra horsepower of the cat out do the Pro, just what I got out of his posts.

So in summary, I don't think you can make this Chassis perform better than the pro chassis for a reasonable amount of money. I think it can be made to work better than it does now and then let the sweet cat engine take you the next step.

Question for Catr, what are you trying to accomplish with the mods you have done your Proclimb. What is the bench mark your trying to achieve or surpass? Not a poke, just curious.

 

[Burn Down]

Wow... the level of dickishness increases as each new post shows up. Impressive.


This forum has just turned into such a POS lately... people attacking people because someone else talked smack about a machine.

Great thread btw.

Must be that time of the year Bcil, all my Diesel sites have gone that way to...
Time to bag the internet for a while before I slash my wrist haha.

I should be in the garage trying to figure out what cat didn't anyway...

X2 on the "dickishness" in this thread.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

wheres my bs waders.it getting deep.

waders won;t do ya much good considering you generally fall in head first..

but don;t worry...gramma has a hot shower and q-tips

 

[ACMtnCat]

The PC doesn't suck..... just some things about it suck.

I won't be caught on a Pro! Hate them! But I cannot deny it works.

And the PC isn't cutting it in stock form. It's kind of Cats reputation now. Mod and it will kicks a$$, yes. But why not sell it that way stock?