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Vail Pass fees start Nov. 27: Thin snowpack restricts snowmobiles at Vail Pass area

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Thin snowpack restricts snowmobiles at Vail Pass area
Vail Pass fees start Nov. 27

By Bob Berwyn
summit daily news,

Winter parking and trail use fees for the Vail Pass area go into effect Friday. The daily fee is $6 per person, per day, free for children under 15. Annual passes are available for $40 at Forest Service visitor centers and at the fee booth at Vail Pass.

This year's thin early season snowpack has prompted the Forest Service to restrict snowmobiles. Travel is only allowed on designated Forest Service roads. No off-road snowmobile travel will be allowed until more snow falls. The restrictions include the Wilder Gulch Trail and the Fowler Hilliard Loop. Off-road travel on a thin snow cover can result in serious damage to the vegetation under the snow.

The 50,000 acre Vail Pass winter recreation area encompasses extends from Copper Mountain on the east to Vail Mountain on the West, Camp Hale on the south and the I-70 corridor on the north.

The fee program pays for the management needed to protect resources in the heavily used area. Management is based on years of collaborative efforts by the Vail Pass Task Force, a citizen's advisory group, and the Forest Service.

The fees collected provide maps, groomed trails, signs, marking and maintenance of routes, enforcement, parking management, visitor information, and backcountry monitoring by uniformed personnel.

The U.S. Forest Service has been conducting wildlife habitat studies in the area, particularly for sensitive lynx. Preliminary results suggest that recreational use in the area is already affecting wildlife. That makes it especially important for users of the area to respect the rules.
 
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The fees collected provide monitoring by uniformed personnel.

That is what we're paying for. As the yearly permits we pay, pay for the rest. Don't care how they twist their words.
We're paying to be observed and critisized.
They obviously don't do much for 'parking management'.

And, why are they charging if the snow conditions aren't even good enough yet to be doing anything in the area?
An un-amusing joke..
 
I don't see any reason that the 12" rule is difficult to obey, sleds can tear the PISS out of the ground pretty easily, giving the whack jobs some great ammo against us.


The paying for those douchebag rentacops on the other hand is a whole other issue, total scam. We pay to fund them to keep us from riding on the areas they want to keep us off of, why don't the skiers pay to keep us off the pow that they don't ride anyhow?

I'll never understand the open fields that are off limits, so the skiers can break trail on the flats? (when they can ride on the trails we pay for)
 
Snow is super thin up there don't even think of wasting your time
Friend I know rents unguided up there and he said"Passed by a Honda Civic yesterday on the trail".
Tell's you how much is on the ground:mad:

Wait it's coming,I've got the itch also but........
Not even enough for a trail ride at V/P in my opinion.Or you can be the guy buying A arms at the dealer as I saw last week:(.
 
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Why do you have a hard time with that? It's no different than RE's requirement to have at least 12" on the ground. I don't see the issue here.

Its not the depth thing that pisses me off about that. Its more of the fact that up there they are always looking for a way to restrict snowmobiles and their use. Before you know it they will be charging some bull sh$% fee to ride when there is 5 feet as well...Most NORMAL people aren't going to be riding up there when the snow is that thin anyway. I Just see it as another way to get the door open for much more restriction of sleds in the future.
 
I agree with the not enough snow rule. I think it will only hurt our sport if we try to ride without enough snow. The greenys are just waiting to take pictures. Why give them more opportunities to make us look like a bunch of goons that don’t care.

Now the rent a cop is a different issue altogather

Be patient. It will snow. It always does
 
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Its not the depth thing that pisses me off about that. Its more of the fact that up there they are always looking for a way to restrict snowmobiles and their use. Before you know it they will be charging some bull sh$% fee to ride when there is 5 feet as well...Most NORMAL people aren't going to be riding up there when the snow is that thin anyway. I Just see it as another way to get the door open for much more restriction of sleds in the future.

Yep, this kinda crap only leads to more crap. And will spread. Go-Green has become an infection, and is now being driven into the masses. And their just making anyone who snowmobiles look like their anti-green [clean]...when we're more so just anti-GREENIES.
 
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Sad deal they need armed guards at Vail pass, but sounds like they're protecitng us from the idiots who ruin it for everybody. You know there are plenty who would be tearing up the tundra if they were'nt regulated. Greenies don't need any more ammo.

Pretty sure all forest service lands have the 12" minimum rule, just not much of an issue in areas few ride. Cops concentrate on the busy places.
 
I don't care much for the nannying, but I'll put up with it and the fees to keep it open. What the big deal about a $40 annual pass?? That's just 1.5 tanks of gas....

The big deal is we already pay for this in permits.
The big deal is you have to have cash on you.
The big deal is you have to be stopped before u can use a public area.
The big deal is you have to PAY to use a public (and otherwise free) area...
...and on n on n on.

They don't charge for you to drive up the roads in the summer, why should they in the winter?

So, whats the big deal about paying 100$ a year? Whats the big deal of paying 25$ a day?
When/where do you put a stop to it?

The problem is people DO put up with it, when we shouldn't have to. We are being used, and they get away with it. And thats the issue.

Once its "OK" and they see they can get away with it in one area, whats to stop them from implimenting the same thing in the next area...
 
I've rode Vail Pass since I was a kid, to this day I have never had problem with anyone from the Forest Service or Parks and Recreation. I don't know what you guys are complaining about.

Go ***** to the parking lot tramps jumping off the snow banks.
 
do like me and my group. We rode Vail once last year wasn't impressed at all and Way to many snow boards and skis. WE DON'T RIDE THERE ON PURPOSE. crappy place in my eyes for off trail great place to take wife and kids for a trail ride and lunch though but still not worth the 6 bones for some dumb a$$ fee.
 
do like me and my group. We rode Vail once last year wasn't impressed at all and Way to many snow boards and skis. WE DON'T RIDE THERE ON PURPOSE. crappy place in my eyes for off trail great place to take wife and kids for a trail ride and lunch though but still not worth the 6 bones for some dumb a$$ fee.

If you rode there and all you saw were snowboards and skis then you rode the wrong areas. The parking lot is a mess but rarely do we see anyone else once we get off the beaten path. But that is fine with me if you don't want to ride there, more untouched for the rest of us.
 
VP is testing ground for sharing. Eventho, i dont agree w/ the areas that are off limits to motorized, there still is some incredible riding up there.
It only takes 5 minutes on the trail to get away from everyone, then the fun begins.

Yes, the skiers and boarders can be disrespectful and ignorant. Nearly every trip up there, I encounter a group of skiers that think they OWN the place. I am always courteous, and will give them the whole trail, often slowing to a complete stop if they have animals along. And most often, they act RUDE and aggressive by shouting and and throwing their push twigs. For their safety i always just move on....

But, they always change their tune when theyre injured or stuck in the parking lot. I often only ride there on weekdays or when work calls.

rant?
 
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Nobody likes supervision, but VP is the only "hybrid" area in Colorado that I'm aware of. Snowmobilers and X-skiers trying to share the same terrain in a easily accessable area. Without someone to babysit, there would be enough chaos to close the area down to sledding. I don't have a problem paying the $40 for the year. I ride there early on and well into May/June. The parking lot is a circus and mostly because of idiot sleders. Guys blasting up and down the parking area while others are getting ready. Half the time we come later than some and are the first tracks because other guys are busy blasting the parking lot. Some of the backcountry skiers would like to think that area is all theirs as well. I've had run ins with those guys as well. In the end we need someone to organize and cleanup the mess.
 
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