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USA,FRANCE,RUSSIA,CHINA.

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On CNN today they claim these four country's are going join in on the fight against ISIS.

If true, I say we be Arm Chair Quarterbacks for once and let the three of them have at it. Russia and China are not exactly known for their rules of engagement. After all, Russia has the second most powerful military in the world followed by China.
 
That makes perfect sense to let those 3 powers work together and fight for the common goal to defeat IS over there and for the USA to stay out of it. However you forget one MAJOR part of this. Going to war is "HUGE BUSINESS' for any US corporation, who is part of the US military complex and has defense contracts with the US Government like Halliburton, Lockheed Martin and others. They make huge money on the wasteful spending and lack of oversight that goes on during War time. Why do you think Cheney with his ties to Halliburton pushed to go to war. We go in and bomb the hell out of the place then we send in aid and humanitarian aid and then all these government contractors go back in and rebuild what we blew up and charge the US tax payers 100 times what it is worth. Heaven forbid we cut military budget and rein in all this overspending. Everyone always says that we have to keep all these terrorist out of this country. they are already here. The common theme to everyone one of these attacks has been "Well (insert name here) was already on a Government watch list" So the fear tactics of "we have to keep all these people out of our country" is just non-sense. The preceding is only my opinion
 
If anything has been proved by this war it is only that fighting a "nice" war with stupid rules of engagement are ineffective. Letting China and Russia go in and take the bad boy approach and wreck everything in it's path will sort this mess out faster than we ever could.
 
Let them at it I say.

I am going to just leave this little article here. ISIS might regret poking the bear, considering Putin is former KGB

BY JACK MCKINNEY
POSTED: January 15, 1986
Are you among those frustrated Americans who have wondered how the Soviet Union's only hostage crisis in Lebanon was resolved in just a month, while the plight of the six U.S. hostages held there continues to drag on without any

break in sight?

Well, according to the Jerusalem Post, the Soviets turned the trick by forgoing diplomacy in favor of a brutally more direct approach to the problem.

Simply put, they presented the kidnappers with chilling proof that terror can cut both ways. Literally!

The crisis began last Sept. 30, you might recall, when four attaches from the Soviet Embassy were kidnapped in Beirut by Muslim extremists. Western news agencies received individual photos of the four men that same night, each with an automatic pistol pressed against his head.

The photos were accompanied by a note from a hitherto unknown group calling itself the Islamic Liberation Organization. The message warned that the four Soviet captives would be executed, one by one, unless Moscow pressured pro- Syrian militiamen to cease shelling positions held by the pro-Iranian fundamentalist militia in Lebanon's northern port city of Tripoli.

Although the Soviets attempted to open some channel for negotiations with the kidnappers, there was no immediate let-up in the shelling at Tripoli.

Only two days after the kidnappings, the body of one of the four kidnapped men, a 30-year-old consular secretary named Arkady Katov, was found, shot through the head, on a Beirut trash dump.

Apparently, that's when the Soviets dropped the idea of sweet talk and turned the matter over to the KGB.

Less than four weeks later, the three remaining hostages were freed on foot only 150 yards from the Soviet Embassy.

The pro-Syrian daily Al Sharq credited their release to the clandestine efforts of Brig. Gen. Ghazi Kanaan, the chief of intelligence for Syrian forces in Lebanon.

Western journalists reported that the kidnappers were forced to free the hostages because a block-to-block search by pro-Syrian militiamen was closing in on them.

But it wasn't until last week that Jerusalem Post diplomatic correspondent Benny Morris uncovered the most compelling reason why the three Soviets were released, emaciated and tired, but otherwise unharmed.

According to Morris, the KBG determined the kidnapping to be the work of the Shiite Muslim group known as Hezbollah, or Party of God. This was the same radical pro-Iranian faction that figured so belligerently in the mass hostage-taking from the TWA airliner at Beirut Airport last June.

Unlike the approach the United States used to resolve the TWA crisis, however, the Soviets did not bother negotiating with Hezbollah through Nabih Berri, Lebanon's justice minister and leader of the Shiite Amal militia.

Instead, the KGB kidnapped a man they knew to be a close relative of a prominent Hezbollah leader. They then castrated him and sent the severed organs to the Hezbollah official, before dispatching the unfortunate kinsman with a bullet in the brain.

In addition to presenting him with this grisly proof of their seriousness, the KGB operatives also advised the Hezbollah leader that they knew the indentities of other close relatives of his, and that he could expect more such packages if the three Soviet diplomats were not freed immediately.

The message was a lot more extreme than Ronald Reagan's vague allusions to using "Rambo next time," but the swift release of the three remaining hostages indicated that the Hezbollah big shot couldn't handle having terror shoved back in his face.


Post reporter Morris quoted unidentified observers in Jerusalem as noting:

"This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things - they don't talk.

"And this is the language the Hezbollah understand."

- See more at: http://articles.philly.com/1986-01-...-liberation-organization#sthash.4ocQP1my.dpuf
 
ISIS doesnt have any oil the US can take over and control.... So they don't care!


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Let them at it I say.

I am going to just leave this little article here. ISIS might regret poking the bear, considering Putin is former KGB
"This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things - they don't talk.
Good point. And the Chinese take it one step further.
 
The most humane way to fight a war is to end it swiftly.


This requires very inhumane actions and substantial collateral damage.
 
That is debatable Mafesto but i do understand the point you are trying to make. However this is a war of ideology. so by going to war you are in fact pouring gas on the fire It is tough to fight and put out a fire when there is gas coming out of the end of your hose rather then water. We kill the ring leader and there are 10 people behind him that are more radical then he ever was.
 
We kill the ring leader and there are 10 people behind him that are more radical then he ever was.

That is why you don't stop to celebrate just because you killed a leader. you need to slaughter the entire herd.
The biggest problem we have is not the enemy, it is our own people who continually profess that we cannot beat this enemy.
 
No!!!! actually it is people who think they can. In order for us as American's to get a handle on this we have to have an enemy to go after as you stated to bomb and kill. Who is the enemy in this case? Today is is the Syrians. You cant fight an ideology with bombs my friend.
Using wiki there is 1.6 billion people who follow the Islamic religion in this world. that is 22% of the population of this planet Do you plan on eradicating all if them?? If you go after just a few, you in turn radicalize the others against your cause who will develop a deep hatred for you trying to kill their belief structure. Am I saying that all of then are Bad NO!!! not at all just like every other religion in this world you have people who go off the deep end with their own interpretation and belief structure. That is what is happening now.
So which country do we start blowing the hell out of Belgium? Because that is where the attackers in Paris were from. Suadi Arabia? Iraq Iran Afghanistan, Turkey, Sweden, Sudan, Russia, Pakistan, Nigeria, New York City because they all have large populations of people who follow the religion that is at the heart of this problem. How about Boston?? that is where the marathon bombers lived. That is just a drop in the bucket for countries that currently have people living and following that belief structure. So where do we start. Oh!!! And your Neighbor, He doesn't have the exact same belief structure you do either so i would watch out for him too
 
I'm not a military strategist, but I'll play one on the internet.


We do know where many of Isis & Al Qaeda trainimg camps are.
Why not just start by bombing them, one at a time, all over the world, including within our borders.
Yes there will be collateral damage, which I hate that term. Call it what it is, innocent casualties.
But, yes we need to be willing to accept that.
 
That is debatable Mafesto but i do understand the point you are trying to make. However this is a war of ideology. so by going to war you are in fact pouring gas on the fire It is tough to fight and put out a fire when there is gas coming out of the end of your hose rather then water. We kill the ring leader and there are 10 people behind him that are more radical then he ever was.
Yes I agree with you. It is a war on ideology. Why can't we just stay the hell out of there? ........just saying.
 
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