Turbo rx-1 nose heavy

[outlaw11j]

Just bought the boosted RX1 on the tab. I have all the holz suspension and fox air shocks. Also simmons gen 1- 6" skis. It has a holz rear set up with 162 camo.

On the groomed trail it handles terible. Very top heavy. Anything down hill in powder will just plow the front in if you are not on the gas.

Would simmons gen 2 10" skis help with floatation? And how about gettin MPI front arms 45" stance to help with the top heavy feeling?

I have been riding alot of years and smacked my first tree this past week on a perfectly groomed trail. Hangin off the sled like a monkey the thing still will not turn worth a flip. Looking for some suggestions.

 

[powdermuncher]

The set-up of Your skid is way out.
I did move my skid back and down on the front H arm by 1.5" to get trail handling under control.
the front shock has to be relatively firm also. Idealy you want at least 1/2'' to 1 1/2"clearance on the back of the track when the front is of it is toughing the floor ---- looking at the rails!!!
(suspended no weight on it)
When you turn--- the front shock needs to be centre of pressure and the sled should turn around that point.

The small skis will dive period get the gen 2 that will fix it 6" skis are to small. The Yamaha mountain ski turns well and works not too bad in pow also. If you run a front mount turbo move the tank and seat back that will help the sled balance.
If you run float shocks without the sway-bar they need to be valved up very stiff and it will take 95 to 105 lb of pressure for to make it handle worth something on trail.

That should be a good starting point for you. There may be better settings for pow or trail, but this should get you started on a good all around set up

cheers........

 

[outlaw11j]

I did not mention the chaincase has been rolled probably 2" or so. I also have been running 110-115 lbs in the shocks. And it does have the sway bar. Also the tank has been moved back at least 2", that answers another question I was thinking about.
I'll take a look at the where the track is riding and see if I can figure out what you are saying.
Thanks for the help.

 

[Linc]

The Simmons skis are a big problem,the stock skis IMO are way easier to ride with.

 

[powdermuncher]

With the sway bar in the shock pressure can be safely dropped to around 60 pounds to get some compliance out of the front end.

Without the sway-bar the float shocks dive to much so we run higher pressures around 95 to 105 psi ---- with the sway bar in it should be around 55 to 65 pounds with stock valving.

If you are dropped and rolled it becomes a bit more of a straight liner and dives more also. Less wheeleing and works the snow well though.

Your mom probably told you ----- you just can't have it all.

 

[outlaw11j]

Talked with the buddy that built it and said the same thing. Can't have it all.
The shock pressure is at 110psi now, so I will drop it down and see if it helps. Still waiting for holz to send the bottom right a arm so I can get it back together.
I am chomping at the bit after getting pitched off. Just want to get back out on it. I think I am learning the strengths of the sled and where to watch it. It is easy to let it get away from me on hard pack at 15psi. It accelerates so quick. No speedo and with all the sprint and drag stuff I have run lately I can't judge speed all that well.
Thanks for all the input. I am sure it will help out.

 

[johnny be bad]

it aint only the nose thats heavy, come on its the rx ton! lol

 

[powdermuncher]

Hi Outlaw
I had a bit of adjusting to do also, you end up with way more speed than before on the same stretch of trail . It took me some time to dial in the suspension and learn to control the beast .

--------cheers---------

 

[SledHedz]

I installed a Ski-Doo SC10-3 rear suspension in my 04 Warrior and then added Slydog Ski's.. This made it an excellent powder sled and it handles excellent on the trails as well.. (Best of both worlds)

Slydog Ski's ROCK! Here is link to their site. http://www.slydogskis.com/

 

[outlaw11j]

I read a lot of threads on the PH skis. They look good. Everyone seems to love them. They would have to be better than the simm. gen 1 skis I have on it now. They are only 6" wide.
Only thing I like about em is when I was burried to the handle bars the red loops were easy to find. lol
What carbides would you recommend? I have a enclosed trailer and hate going over the bars trying to load it. Maybe I can buy the wheels that slip under the skis.

 

[SledHedz]

I like the Powder Hounds 10 times better than my old Simmons. I only have 4" Carbides w/no studs.. It handles like a dream but, the do did in... I would a plastic Skin Bottom when loading into a trailer or pulling into the garage... But, they do their job! Here is a picture of my wife's sled with the Slydog Powder Hounds.

 

[Linc]

The Simmons skis make these things feel 10 times heavier

 

[Chubbydog]

The Simmons skis are a big problem,the stock skis IMO are way easier to ride with.

You can not be serious. The Simmons 10" are way better than stock on any sled. For a heavy sled, it will help dramatically in the deep snow. I've rode the 10" skis on an Apex, and on a Doo, and the do very well IMO! There a little hard to turn at slow speeds, but in the powder, and on the trail, they rock. If it wasn't for the weight, I'd have them right now. & yes they will keep your front end up more coming down a hill in powder.

 

[Linc]

I'm totally serious,,,I've run the same sled with both stock and simmons and I prefer the stock skiis.I find that in the situation when the machine is pointing off camber, the Simmons lift the uphill ski too much and the weight of the Apex takes over,not too mention that when the snow is set up it gets harder to steer,making the Apex feel even heavier.The stock Yamaha ski is hard to beat.

That's beauty about "my Opinion" it's mine,i don't expect you to agree with it,but these are my findings.

 

[SledHedz]

I'm totally serious,,,I've run the same sled with both stock and simmons and I prefer the stock skiis.I find that in the situation when the machine is pointing off camber, the Simmons lift the uphill ski too much and the weight of the Apex takes over,not too mention that when the snow is set up it gets harder to steer,making the Apex feel even heavier.The stock Yamaha ski is hard to beat.

That's beauty about "my Opinion" it's mine,i don't expect you to agree with it,but these are my findings.

Linc,

I agree 110% That is the same findings I had, when I tried the Simmons. Although I like the Simmons on the Bombardier, they were not as good for me on the Yamaha..

 

[Beels]

I'm totally serious,,,I've run the same sled with both stock and simmons and I prefer the stock skiis.I find that in the situation when the machine is pointing off camber, the Simmons lift the uphill ski too much and the weight of the Apex takes over,not too mention that when the snow is set up it gets harder to steer,making the Apex feel even heavier.The stock Yamaha ski is hard to beat.

That's beauty about "my Opinion" it's mine,i don't expect you to agree with it,but these are my findings.

I'm with ya Linc. I've tried Simmons on a few different sleds and I can't see what all the hype is about.

 

[outlaw11j]

You are right. Especially on the groomed trail this sled wears me out. It takes an unbelievable amount of force to turn. Feel like I am wrestling a bull by the horns. I just figured it was normal and should be expected.
Guess thats why I was on the gass before going up the tree. Easier to steer when there off the ground.lol
The guy I bought the sled from said I would be impressed how great this rode compared to my turbo zx chassis. I am not seeing that one yet. But the bang part of the buck, wow I'll hit the gym.
Thanks again for all the input from everyone.