Timbersled upgrade

[IDAHO HOT SHOT]

I was just parusing on Timbersled's website and saw the new rear upgrade for the pro. After looking at Holz website, it very evident that the Pro rear suspension is a Holz look alike. My question is: What would be the benefit of upgrading to the Timbersled setup? I understand that this setup works good for turbo sleds but what is the advantage over the Holz? Is this a Ford Chevy, Apples or Oranges question or what. Opinions/ comments please.

 

[silverfox]

The Timbersled is coupled, stock is not. That is why it is a must for turbo sleds. It keeps the front down......

 

[AndrettiDog]

I asked Allen about this at the SLC show. He told me that the new suspension is much better than the old IQ Dragon RMK suspension (didn't take much ). He also told me that the Timbersled setup is really going to shine for the guys who have the turbos. He felt it would improve on the stock Pro Ride suspension, but it was clear that it was intended for the bigger HP sleds. I also asked if he has had a chance to test that skid setup and he told me he has not (and that nobody really has at that point). The good news is that the Timbersled kit is about $900. That's really cheap to make your rear suspension good enough for the turbo setup!

 

[IDAHO HOT SHOT]

I asked Allen about this at the SLC show. He told me that the new suspension is much better than the old IQ Dragon RMK suspension (didn't take much ). He also told me that the Timbersled setup is really going to shine for the guys who have the turbos. He felt it would improve on the stock Pro Ride suspension, but it was clear that it was intended for the bigger HP sleds. I also asked if he has had a chance to test that skid setup and he told me he has not (and that nobody really has at that point). The good news is that the Timbersled kit is about $900. That's really cheap to make your rear suspension good enough for the turbo setup!

I appreciate your info. I rrealize that the setup is great for high hp sleds. I was more curious about stock for stock setup. Is this a good upgrade stock or lightly modded sled. This will be my 4th season on my Holz skid. I love the way it works in the snow, but I am not in love with the float shock that bottoms out unless pumped to the nuts. But the only thing I have compared it to is the stock walker evans air shocks(no comparison really).

 

[4Z]

A personal preference for me is a coupled suspension. Even on a stock sled. Historically coupled suspensions were on the heavy side. Not the TS skid, it is on my xmas list where my wife can find it!!

 

[SNOW JW]

Not only will you get a better ride with this system there are the options to go from a Zbroz setup to Fox to a Float X so there are a few options.

The skid like all TS setups can be adjusted perfectly to each sled and it's HP.

But something that is also getting missed about this and one of the main reasons Allen also built the skid was he felt the Pro is a little weak in some areas as he has spent some time on the new Pro so for the boondocker that tends to hit a few rocks stumps and such here and there it's going to be a great option as well.

 

[S.Diddy]

I appreciate your info. I rrealize that the setup is great for high hp sleds. I was more curious about stock for stock setup. Is this a good upgrade stock or lightly modded sled. This will be my 4th season on my Holz skid. I love the way it works in the snow, but I am not in love with the float shock that bottoms out unless pumped to the nuts. But the only thing I have compared it to is the stock walker evans air shocks(no comparison really).

I'm assuming you have the older Holz skid without the EvolX rear shock? The Evol makes a world of difference as far as air volume and sensitivity are concerned, all without having to pump it up to the nuts lol Also adding an additional air chamber to the from standard float makes a crazy difference in bump sensitivity as well. Oh and just so everyone knows I'm in no way trying to discredit Timbersled, they make a great product too.

 

[milehighassassin]

If it were me and I didn't have a turbo , I would leave the suspension alone until you put more time on it. If I was wanting to tinker you might consider a revalve of the shocks to your weight and style.

It doesn't sound like even timbersled has that much if any seat time on the pro.

 

[racerjb]

I currently have a Timbersled on my stock powered IQ and it definitely improves the ride and performance of the sled. The Mt Tamer is not just a turbo only skid as it improves trenching, climbing, whoops, etc.

I am looking to get a Pro and deciding whether to put my complete Timbersled kit on my Pro or just get the needed parts from Timbersled and convert it. From what I was told the Pro has a chromoly front arm stock so you don't need the complete skid. Plus, having Fastrax running one this season will add to the good customer service and available setups and shock valving options!

 

[milehighassassin]

I currently have a Timbersled on my stock powered IQ and it definitely improves the ride and performance of the sled. The Mt Tamer is not just a turbo only skid as it improves trenching, climbing, whoops, etc.

I am looking to get a Pro and deciding whether to try and retro fit it on my Pro or sell the skid and get the new update kit. From what I was told the Pro has a chromoly front arm stock so you don't need the complete skid. Plus, having Fastrax running one this season will add to the good customer service and available setups and shock valving options!

I wouldn't put any IQ skid on the Pro. That just seems silly.

 

[racerjb]

I wouldn't put any IQ skid on the Pro. That just seems silly.

uh, no I meant my Timbersled skid that I have now in my IQ not the stock IQ skid.

I was told that it would fit with some simple mods. I guess the Pro has a longer front arm then the ones on the IQ. Thus, my Timbersled will not just bolt into the Pro.

So there are a couple options for people who currently have Mt Tamers and want to swap them into a Pro.

 

[MURFDOG]

I've never been accused of being smart so I did the upgrade with the fox X got the rails powdercoated and put on an anti-stab to run the extro drivers and PC track (really like that track) can't wait to get on the snow.

 

[milehighassassin]

uh, no I meant my Timbersled skid that I have now in my IQ not the stock IQ skid.

I was told that it would fit with some simple mods. I guess the Pro has a longer front arm then the ones on the IQ. Thus, my Timbersled will not just bolt into the Pro.

So there are a couple options for people who currently have Mt Tamers and want to swap them into a Pro.

Yeah, I knew you were talking about the timbersled. It still doesn't make sense to put a suspension designed for an iq on the pro. The pro design is top notch.

 

[mountainhorse]

Yeah, I knew you were talking about the timbersled. It still doesn't make sense to put a suspension designed for an iq on the pro. The pro design is top notch.

Milehigh... I can see the logic from a cursory view... but the new PRO tunnel is essentially the same with a nearly identical relationship to the front suspension and driveshaft.

The ride character that COBE realized with the Timbersled in the IQ could be expected in the new chassis. The front/rear bolt holes would need to be in the right place but it would be a bolt in after that.

The stock PRO RMK is an awesome machine for sure... it is nice to see options out there for us all.

 

[racerjb]

Yeah, I knew you were talking about the timbersled. It still doesn't make sense to put a suspension designed for an iq on the pro. The pro design is top notch.

No worries. I just prefer the Timbersled after having two seasons on it. I know the Pro has probably one of the best stock skids but I feel the Timbersled will perform better for me. However, I am just speculating as I have yet to a ride the Pro. I like to do my mods in stages and plan on running the Pro stock then add the timbersled later so that I can make a informed decision and comments.

 

[FTXMOTORSPORTS]

I would like to point out also that a heavier rider will make a stock skid transfer WAY more aggressively than a "average" or light rider and typically, by the time you input enough shock valving, spring rate and geometry changes to get it to settle down and be rideable (read: controllable and predictable) for a big dude the ride quality goes way down. This is mostly related to big guys that hold their weight with the bars and less with their feet which would be similar to a smaller guy yanking on the bars to force more transfer...follow me?
A coupled skid works great to solve this issue for this type of rider since we can mechanically adjust the amount of transfer and limit it to what a lighter rider would experience on a stock skid and at the same time, we can retain the nice ride quality we all expect since we didn't have to load the rear shock with excessive valving and spring to keep it from squatting radically and creating to much transfer.

long winded...I know...

curt

 

[milehighassassin]

Milehigh... I can see the logic from a cursory view... but the new PRO tunnel is essentially the same with a nearly identical relationship to the front suspension and driveshaft.

The ride character that COBE realized with the Timbersled in the IQ could be expected in the new chassis. The front/rear bolt holes would need to be in the right place but it would be a bolt in after that.

The stock PRO RMK is an awesome machine for sure... it is nice to see options out there for us all.

I do believe the geometry is different. I think the front arm is taller. There is a thread about this in the IQ section. They will fit each other but you do have to move the holes around.

I would think Timbersled would sell their old skid as well if they believed it to work on the Pro.

No worries. I just prefer the Timbersled after having two seasons on it. I know the Pro has probably one of the best stock skids but I feel the Timbersled will perform better for me. However, I am just speculating as I have yet to a ride the Pro. I like to do my mods in stages and plan on running the Pro stock then add the timbersled later so that I can make a informed decision and comments.

Sure you can try it and report back, why not. You don't have anything to lose. It just seems that Polaris spent a lot of money (probably paid to Holz) for this design. Mark's design is top notch and worked great, I had his suspension on my old REV.


FYI:

I spoke to the boy'z at TimerSled at the show last Saturday about buying the mtn tamer for my '09 and being able to bolt it up to a 2011 if I bought one. the reply I got was it's not a direct bolt on. The front arm on the 2011 was longer. He did say they may offer an upgrade in the future to do this though.

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2399707&postcount=3

 

[F-Bomb]

Murfdog I think you are very smart...OUR ignorance is bliss (actually tested too)!