Thinking about going to a Yamaha

[Deepsnowisthewaytogo]

<HR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e8e8e8; COLOR: #e8e8e8" SIZE=1> <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->
Hello from a guy that has almost always ridden AC's and a few Polaris mountain sleds.
I have questions about switching, and hope to get some straight answers.
On the Yamaha paper and online brochures I see no HP or weights listed.
Is the new FX Nytro M-TX 162 about the same weight as an AC M1000 162?
Are they nearly the same HP & Torque?
Does one work better than the other for boon docking an high marking?
Also they carry little fuel due to the small gas tank, does it limit their range badly?
My M1000 already lacks range with its bigger tank, so I carry a gas can, and worry it may restrict me on where I can go.

I hear this forum is the place to get the answers, so hope to be helped.

 

[TRUEBLUEMAX]

It depends on what year of Nytro you get as far as capability and weight. The dry weight on the 08-09 was 553 with wet weight around 620. The 2010 and newer are lighter with a wet weight around 605. The 2010 and newer also have many updates to make them better.

A stock nytro dynos at about 135 hp so nowhere near what an m1000 is.

Fuel has not been a huge issue for me. It does have a small tank but it will usually last as long as the other two strokes will. So if you pack fuel now you would pack with a Nytro.

IMO you don't buy a Nytro for it's stock abilities. With a few mods it can be the best sled on the hill but stock for stock they will not do what your M will do.

 

[christopher]

I am going to strongly 2nd TrueBlue's comments.

The best reason I can think of to pick up a new nytro is because you enjoy modding a sled and want to be the BEST possible platform to build on.

In stock form, the Nytro is at best, an average mountain sled.
BUT...

In my humble opinion there is absolutely no better platform for customization out there. The Nytro will let you go places in customization/"MODS" that the other sleds are still trying to catch up to.

If you want power, the sky's the limit with that engine, and you can maintain tremendous reliability at the same time.\

I bought 3 new Yamaha's New Year's Eve 2009.
Rode it bone stock the first season.
Started moding it last summer and really fell in love with the sled this last season, and now I am really diving in with a Super Charger and New Suspension this summer expecting this coming season to show what a fully built Nytro is really capable of.

 

[Deepsnowisthewaytogo]

Thanks TrueBlueMax, I still want good climbing and boon docking, and range, and am just so undecided.
If I was going to buy a Nytro it would be a newer one, a 2010 or 2011, possibly even a 2012 since they will be out soon is my guess.
I want a machine thats low maintenance, and basically add gas, pull the rope and ride.
I am tired of turbo's and fighting clutching, and inconsistent running.
I never knew if my M8 turbo was going to have a stellar day or bad day.
And my M1000 is better as its consistent, but only has bolt on goodies like Y pipe, pipe, and airbox, and it climbs very well.
I appreciate your input very much, and wish I had one to demo up in the Mtns, but have not had the chance.

 

[roughrider99]

You would be surprised with the reliability of a turbo. Yamaha, my dad bought a used mcx 270 nytro, and he's an old bugger who doesn,t wanna do anything but gas and go ride the sled like a bat outta hell 5000km on the sled zero issues or failures. But I also agrees with the others if your staying stock.

 

[Deepsnowisthewaytogo]

Thank You Christopher.

 

[Deepsnowisthewaytogo]

Roughrider99, I could see me going to a turbo again if its consistent day after day, and reliable.
Would likely buy one and ride it stock, or nearly so the first winter, then mod it.
Thanks

 

[TRUEBLUEMAX]

Nytro with an MCX 180 kit and you will never think about it. It auto compensates for altitude so you are at 180 no matter the elevation. No motor work is involved with this kit. Very simple and clean. So you will still have 50-60 more horsepower than your M1000 at elevation. I kind of had second thoughts when I bought mine but they were VERY momentary. I love the sled.

 

[christopher]

I want a machine thats low maintenance, and basically add gas, pull the rope and ride..

Allow me to cut to the chase.
If I knew then, what I know now, I would buy another brand new Nytro with the factory supercharger and the lightweight skid. Ride it hard all season long, then sit back and have some fun customizing it the next summer!

I have THREE now.
I would buy a 4th.

Here, take a minute and read this.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264215

 

[philsummers21]

Honestly if your wanting a pull and go sled. The yamaha's can't be beat. Yes a stock nytro lacks a little but they are still a very fun sled stock. My opinion is get a new Nytro 10 or newer and change out the track for a Camo Extreme. Ride it for a season and enjoy it. The money you save not buying 2 stroke oil and Premium Gas. Put towards a turbo... Next season add boost and never look back. After boost keep modding cause its addicting. 4 season later you will have a kick @$$ sled and still have a PLENTY of seasons left to just ride.

 

[Deepsnowisthewaytogo]

All sound like good ideas guys, thank you.
Is a low boost system to make say just 180 HP able to use pump gas, or is it a race gas sled, or race gas/pump blend sled.
I would LOVE a pump gas only sled.

 

[christopher]

"Factory" Turbo option
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/a...il/5/495/2019/17919/all/1/10436/0/detail.aspx

"Factory" Supercharger option
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/a...il/5/495/2019/17919/all/1/10435/0/detail.aspx

Both can be ordered at time of purchase for your dealer to install before delivery to you.

 

[roughrider99]

All sound like good ideas guys, thank you.
Is a low boost system to make say just 180 HP able to use pump gas, or is it a race gas sled, or race gas/pump blend sled.
I would LOVE a pump gas only sled.

My dad runs mcx 270 kit on pump gas, we just added low comp pistons for a safety margin cause the sled is run at 3300 feet

 

[philsummers21]

Yeah most of the new kits can be run on pump gas @ elevation. No need for race fuel till you start getting up in the hp.

 

[TRUEBLUEMAX]

I really want a pump gas sled also. The only thing is you can only go about 210-220 hp without getting into the motor and lowering the compression. That is why I am just looking to do a low boost kit. I don't want to tear into my engine. The thing about lowering the compression is it just kills the bottom end power. Until the boost comes on it is very soft. The low boost kits keep the stock compression so you have the same power as stock until the boost comes on.

For the type of riding that I do a low boost kit will be the way to go. I am not a big chute slayer. I just want the power to be able to get myself out of sticky situations in the trees sometimes.

 

[christopher]

All I can say is that with the 6-8lbs of boost I got to play with last winter, I loved it! Totally transformed the sled!

Once you have installed a boost system, you can always upgrade it if you decide you need MORE power.