The Obama shift

[winter brew]

Nice.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/time_for_unchange.html

 

[ruffryder]

Sweet! American Thinker Link!!

 

[winter brew]

I knew you would be first!
At least they are using WH data....pretty tough to skew that.

 

[POLZIN]

Im sure they dont like Ryans plan that leaves them no way to buy voters with our tax dollars

 

[ruffryder]

From Article..

Plus, I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "Bush tax cuts" did not demolish this four-decade trend. In fact, they put things back on trend. In 2007, or four years after Bush's second round of tax cuts, federal revenues were 18.5% of GDP (above trend), and spending was 19.7% of GDP (below trend)

Is the above trying to state that the tax cuts caused an increase in revenues and a decrease in spending? I think the above numbers are more a result of an increase in GDP due to people leveraging themselves to the hilt and real estate prices being inflated. 2007 was the peak of the bubble wasn't it?

Do you see in this chart where Democrats took over both houses of Congress? That would be that sharp bump up in debt in 2008 and 2009.

Isn't that when Obama took office? Right after the TARP crap that was passed before Obama became president but was spent afterwords?

So "Plan A" is no plan whatsoever. Unless you call purposely going into formal default on someone else's watch a "plan."

That has been what all of them have been doing for the last 20 years... Why expect different?

This chart was generated by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. It shows debt projections, just like the previous chart from the White House. But the CBO's chart compares two plans: the non-plan of leaving things alone, and Paul Ryan's plan. One goes off to infinite debt, the other gets us back to normal.

Could the choice of futures be any starker?

And that choice occurs this year, on November 6. You can vote to become Greece on steroids. Or you can vote for a return to that harsh world we all once knew as "post-war America." Do you want riots and default, or 68 million more jobs?

So either Obama will kill us all or Romney will save us all? I thought they were the same?? lol

As to Paul Ryan's plan.. I don't like the voucher system. The voucher system is a way of capping costs so that the payments can't be increased at the same rate of increase in costs of the care. To solve the problem, you just make old people pay more?

It is an interesting idea, and I completely agree with increasing out of pocket costs for individuals using health care (negative feedback loop) but the plan seems to only shift the costs... not do anything about the costs themselves.

The more I look into the health care issue, the more it seems like single payer is the way to go..

 

[polaris dude]

I guess I don't understand that link really. It seems pretty biased and foists all blame onto Obama which doesn't really make sense because Obama didn't have a lot to work with, I mean from the beginning things were pretty crappy for him so for us to have moved on and having things improve is good enough for me.

I remember back in 2008 when elections were going and everybody was saying "Whoever wins this election will be considered one of the worst presidents ever"
Whoever votes for a candidate that could potentially put us into another war should definitely be smacked cuz quite frankly the majority of our dam debt is because of the war in the middle east. Which is stupid because in all actuality we haven't done squat over there in terms of making the world a safer place. We should stick to what we do best which is sending long range missiles

 

[snowmobiler]

change

 

[winter brew]

Yes, i blame everything on Obama and only post links from those that agree.....in this case the Whitehouse website and CBO data.
I didnt care for Bush either but i dont blame him for Obama driving up our debt and carrying on with a lot of Bush's mistakes.
What have we gotten for our $$?

 

[ruffryder]

Yes, i blame everything on Obama and only post links from those that agree.....in this case the Whitehouse website and CBO data.

Data yes, but the analysis of the data for use in graphs and determining correlations of the data.. that wasn't the whitehouse nor the CBO...

What have we gotten for our $$?

Nothing new from what I can tell... kicking the same can down the road that we have been doing for the last 20 years.

All of a sudden debt is a bad thing? lol

 

[polaris dude]

Yes, i blame everything on Obama and only post links from those that agree.....in this case the Whitehouse website and CBO data.
I didnt care for Bush either but i dont blame him for Obama driving up our debt and carrying on with a lot of Bush's mistakes.
What have we gotten for our $$?

Ehh, the thing is he tried to do something different which is exactly what he promised. It just turned out that it didn't help much. And you cannot blame Obama for driving up the debt he couldn't just end the war which costed us billions.