This is the actual plan studied and broken down by Betsy McCaughey - Former LT Gov of NY state - Democrat!
http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/home.html
http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/home.html
The Obama medical plan. Here it is folks, and your not going to believe it.
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So my 84 year old Mother will lose benifits so a lazy 30 year old can have free care? Way to go oslama! Gotta love change!
She will get free counsel on how not to eat right and take less life saving drugs.
meanwhile, any legitimate tax paying citizen that comes down with cancer will get either rationed treatment.....or no treatment at all because of age.
i still can't believe people voted for this idiot.
irritating that the ones who did vote for him, now say...gee, didn't see this coming.
how could you not?
i still can't believe people voted for this idiot.
irritating that the ones who did vote for him, now say...gee, didn't see this coming.
how could you not?
I would post my thoughts here, but it'd burn your eyes and cause me to get a perma ban.
well he hasn't visited maui yet. I'm sure there are people here who dont like the fellow.
*snicker*
*snicker*
Some form of this will follow:Euthanasia, practice of mercifully ending a person’s life in order to release the person from an incurable disease, intolerable suffering, or undignified death. The word euthanasia derives from the Greek for “good death” and originally referred to intentional mercy killing. When medical advances made prolonging the lives of dying or comatose patients possible, the term euthanasia was also applied to a lack of action to prevent death.
Active euthanasia involves painlessly putting individuals to death for merciful reasons, as when a doctor administers a lethal dose of medication to a patient. Passive euthanasia involves not doing something to prevent death, as when doctors refrain from using an artificial respirator to keep alive a terminally ill patient.
In voluntary euthanasia, a person asks to die (by either active or passive euthanasia). Nonvoluntary euthanasia refers to ending the life of a person who is not mentally competent to make an informed request to die, such as a comatose patient.
Active euthanasia involves painlessly putting individuals to death for merciful reasons, as when a doctor administers a lethal dose of medication to a patient. Passive euthanasia involves not doing something to prevent death, as when doctors refrain from using an artificial respirator to keep alive a terminally ill patient.
In voluntary euthanasia, a person asks to die (by either active or passive euthanasia). Nonvoluntary euthanasia refers to ending the life of a person who is not mentally competent to make an informed request to die, such as a comatose patient.
He doesn't even know whats in the bill
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:29 PM
By: David A. Patten Article Font Size
Members of Congress haven't read the 1,018-page proposed healthcare-reform legislation, but then, apparently neither has President Obama.
The president recently confessed he is "not familiar" with key provisions of the legislation.
According to a Heritage Foundation post, Obama's embarrassing admission came during a conference call with left-leaning bloggers.
Obama urged the bloggers to continue pressuring Congress to pass health-care reform immediately. During that call, Heritage reports, a blogger referenced an article in Investor's Business Daily indicating Section 102 of the House bill would "outlaw" private insurance.
"Is this true?" the blogger asked Obama. "Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?"
The president's response on behalf of the legislation he is pushing through Congress: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."
That response prompted the think tank to state: "This is a truly disturbing admission by the president, especially considering that later in the call, Obama promises yet again: 'If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.'"
The rhetorical question posed by Heritage: "How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress?"
No version of the legislation now under consideration "outlaws" private insurance coverage. However, it increases its cost relative to publicly subsidized plans in a way that leads some experts to believe private insurance would no longer be a viable option.
A Heritage-Lewin Group report released Monday found that close to 100 million policy holders may be forced to change insurance plans if Congress passes the bill supported by Obama.
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:29 PM
By: David A. Patten Article Font Size
Members of Congress haven't read the 1,018-page proposed healthcare-reform legislation, but then, apparently neither has President Obama.
The president recently confessed he is "not familiar" with key provisions of the legislation.
According to a Heritage Foundation post, Obama's embarrassing admission came during a conference call with left-leaning bloggers.
Obama urged the bloggers to continue pressuring Congress to pass health-care reform immediately. During that call, Heritage reports, a blogger referenced an article in Investor's Business Daily indicating Section 102 of the House bill would "outlaw" private insurance.
"Is this true?" the blogger asked Obama. "Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?"
The president's response on behalf of the legislation he is pushing through Congress: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."
That response prompted the think tank to state: "This is a truly disturbing admission by the president, especially considering that later in the call, Obama promises yet again: 'If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.'"
The rhetorical question posed by Heritage: "How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress?"
No version of the legislation now under consideration "outlaws" private insurance coverage. However, it increases its cost relative to publicly subsidized plans in a way that leads some experts to believe private insurance would no longer be a viable option.
A Heritage-Lewin Group report released Monday found that close to 100 million policy holders may be forced to change insurance plans if Congress passes the bill supported by Obama.
Published in the New York Post on July 21, 2009
If the Democrats obey President Obama's command and pass a health-care bill by the August recess, they'll be committing partisan suicide.
Obama's insistence that we completely remake our health-care system -- and do it two weeks after the first bill was marked up in the first committee -- is too arrogant by half. It smacks of the kind of overreaching of FDR's second term in 1937, when, after his landslide win in 1936, he tried to pack the Supreme Court to reverse its anti-New Deal rulings.
Americans are increasingly turning against Obama's program. A Washington Post poll has the plan's public approval below 50 percent; Rasmussen has it trailing 46-49.
For Obama to ride roughshod over Americans' rising concerns about a matter so intimate will be too much.
What's the rush? they'll ask. The bill isn't even slated to take effect until next year. You passed the stimulus package, they'll note, in a similar rush during the administration's first week -- only to see it fall flat. Now Obama aides are claiming the package was never intended to have much effect this year!
How, voters will ask, can we cover 50 million more people without any new doctors or nurses? The answer is to ration health care, with the government deciding who'll get hip and knee replacements, heart-bypass surgery and other medical treatments. And what does rationing mean? It means that the elderly will be denied care that they can now get whenever they want.
The Obama plan effectively repeals Medicare, putting a Federal Health Board between the elderly and their doctors. This board will instruct public and private insurance carriers on what procedures are to be approved, at what cost and for what patients.
The bulk of this rationing will fall on the elderly. We'll have to revisit the idea that the elderly have, in the words of former Colorado Gov. Dick Lamm, "a duty to die."
The more word gets out about what the bill contemplates, the firmer opposition will grow. That's why Obama wants to push it through now, while he retains some popularity.
And if the bill passes? The howls of protest from the elderly the first time they're denied care will be something to behold. It will become evident that the health-care resources being denied to the elderly are going instead to immigrants -- legal and not. The anger will be enormous and instant.
Most Americans aren't sick and don't use medical facilities often. But the elderly constantly stay in touch with their doctors and medical providers. The curtailment of that access will become immediately apparent -- and in more than enough time for the 2010 elections.
Some votes live on and on. People remember senators' votes on the Kuwait war resolution. President Bill Clinton chose Vice President Al Gore for the 1992 ticket largely based on Gore's vote in favor of the invasion. It sent a signal that Gore and he were a "new kind of Democrat."
This health-care vote is similarly consequential; it will linger for years.
If the Democrats obey President Obama's command and pass a health-care bill by the August recess, they'll be committing partisan suicide.
Obama's insistence that we completely remake our health-care system -- and do it two weeks after the first bill was marked up in the first committee -- is too arrogant by half. It smacks of the kind of overreaching of FDR's second term in 1937, when, after his landslide win in 1936, he tried to pack the Supreme Court to reverse its anti-New Deal rulings.
Americans are increasingly turning against Obama's program. A Washington Post poll has the plan's public approval below 50 percent; Rasmussen has it trailing 46-49.
For Obama to ride roughshod over Americans' rising concerns about a matter so intimate will be too much.
What's the rush? they'll ask. The bill isn't even slated to take effect until next year. You passed the stimulus package, they'll note, in a similar rush during the administration's first week -- only to see it fall flat. Now Obama aides are claiming the package was never intended to have much effect this year!
How, voters will ask, can we cover 50 million more people without any new doctors or nurses? The answer is to ration health care, with the government deciding who'll get hip and knee replacements, heart-bypass surgery and other medical treatments. And what does rationing mean? It means that the elderly will be denied care that they can now get whenever they want.
The Obama plan effectively repeals Medicare, putting a Federal Health Board between the elderly and their doctors. This board will instruct public and private insurance carriers on what procedures are to be approved, at what cost and for what patients.
The bulk of this rationing will fall on the elderly. We'll have to revisit the idea that the elderly have, in the words of former Colorado Gov. Dick Lamm, "a duty to die."
The more word gets out about what the bill contemplates, the firmer opposition will grow. That's why Obama wants to push it through now, while he retains some popularity.
And if the bill passes? The howls of protest from the elderly the first time they're denied care will be something to behold. It will become evident that the health-care resources being denied to the elderly are going instead to immigrants -- legal and not. The anger will be enormous and instant.
Most Americans aren't sick and don't use medical facilities often. But the elderly constantly stay in touch with their doctors and medical providers. The curtailment of that access will become immediately apparent -- and in more than enough time for the 2010 elections.
Some votes live on and on. People remember senators' votes on the Kuwait war resolution. President Bill Clinton chose Vice President Al Gore for the 1992 ticket largely based on Gore's vote in favor of the invasion. It sent a signal that Gore and he were a "new kind of Democrat."
This health-care vote is similarly consequential; it will linger for years.
Thanks, Did you surf around her site, very interesting stuff.
I'm embarrassed that Americans can be so naive about health care when we have the best in the world period!
There's lots of room for improvement but Obamacare is the worst thing that could ever happen to our country right now. The only people that support this crap are the truly ignorant.
There is no defending this plan and it will never fly.
I love this!
Whatever health insurance bill is passed in Congress MUST apply to members of Congress and other federal employees.
No Exceptions.
If it isn't good enough for them, it isn't good enough for us.
We are calling on members of Congress to propose an amendment to the Kennedy Health Bill requiring all federal employees to enroll in a "qualified" health plan just like the rest of us.
Ted Kennedy & his health issues would be a Great guy to use as a test run to see if it works or not
Whatever health insurance bill is passed in Congress MUST apply to members of Congress and other federal employees.
No Exceptions.
If it isn't good enough for them, it isn't good enough for us.
We are calling on members of Congress to propose an amendment to the Kennedy Health Bill requiring all federal employees to enroll in a "qualified" health plan just like the rest of us.
Ted Kennedy & his health issues would be a Great guy to use as a test run to see if it works or not
Whatever health insurance bill is passed in Congress MUST apply to members of Congress and other federal employees.
No Exceptions.
If it isn't good enough for them, it isn't good enough for us.
We are calling on members of Congress to propose an amendment to the Kennedy Health Bill requiring all federal employees to enroll in a "qualified" health plan just like the rest of us.
Ted Kennedy & his health issues would be a Great guy to use as a test run to see if it works or not
I would like the health care and retirement plan federal employees have Now!
Not as great as you might think.
Compared to what in that salary range?
It's not health care REform its health care DEform. Lower it all to the lowest common denominator....also known as share the burden comrade
"Nowhere does the legislation say how much health plans will cost, but a family of four is eligible for some government assistance until their household income reaches $88,000 (House bill, p. 137). If you earn more than that, you'll have to pay the cost no matter how high it goes."
OBAMA IS AN AZZ-HOLE!!!!!
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OBAMA IS AN AZZ-HOLE!!!!!
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I make similar money as my counterparts in the gov and my benefits are way better than theirs.
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