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The iridium/platinum/copper spark plug debate, a must read...

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I have kept quiet for a long time about the iridium plug debate on here but I am going to throw in my $.02... These findings are based on on-time data logging and research on a turbo'd 400whp audi a4 (2871R), but I see no reason why this wouldn't carry over to 2 stroke applications...especially the boosted guys.

Copper is one of the best conductors of electricity and heat, but they just plain dont last mileage wise. Iridium & Platinum last 10 fold longer thus the reason why auto manufactures use these. Coppers can last 5K miles if the engine is operating optimally. Platinum and Iridium plugs have a center electrode (fine-wire) that is thin. Under high boost application they get so hot they will begin to "heat glow" and cause premature ignition in the combustion cycle (pre-ignition => detonation) unless they were properly designed to pull the heat. This is a problem for all of the turbo guys running high boost. Copper on the other hand, has a much thicker center electrode, on top of that, the copper material is able to dissapate heat from the combustion chamber fast enough to keep the combustion temperatures lower. Coppers use thicker electrodes simply based on the fact that they can easily jump the spark, whereas platinum and iridiums will require a fine wire to better direct the spark to prevent missfires.

Remember the TWO primary functions of a sparkplug:
1) To efficiently ignite the A/F mixture without missfires (gap..etc)
2) To pull heat from the combustion chamber into the head, where the cooling system should dissapate that heat. (Heat Range)

A platinum/Iridium plug in a colder heat range usually runs just as hot as a copper in the standard heat range when under high stress. So many people will use a Platinum/Iridum plug TWO steps colder to counter that. But using a plug that is 2 steps colder, will lead to two things:

1) More prone to carbon-fouling on "normal driving" where EGT's are kept low. (Plugs must stay above 550C Deg to burn off excess carbon deposits to "self-clean")
2) As a result, loss of horsepower from a less efficient/inhibited spark.

You need a plug that is actually "hot enough" to ignite the A/F mixture as hot as possible to get the most efficient combustion, as well as burn off carbon-deposits (~550C deg), and yet cold enough to prevent pre-ignition when compression is high (< 870C Deg).
 
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If this is all true, why does BD recommend Iridium plugs instead of the std champions when running their turbos?
 
Ok...

What source for the above statements?

Which comments are from that source (or sources) and which ones are your input?
 
I know this.

3 sleds now I have set up have had very bad results with the stock plugs and reg NGK's.

I learned my lesson right away and switched not a bad plug after the switch I love them also run cleaner.
 
Which iridium plugs are being used, BR9EIX, BPR9EIX, The BPR extends into the combustion chamber furhter, so which one would be better to use?
 
From Polaris Racing manuals... they recommend RN57YCC or NGK BPR9EV.

That is the projected tip.

I spoke with the engineers at Boondockers, the owner Rocky and Eric Woog about this just last week on a ride to Alpine Wy....

The BR9EiX (non projected tip) was chosen to reduce deto possibilites on the Turbo application. I was told that the non projected tip will also slightly retard flame propigation in the cyl which can lead to deto.


The iridium substitute for the BPR9EV is the BPR9EiX.

B = Thread diameter: 14mm
P = Projected insulator type (or lack thereof if the plug is missing this letter)
R = Resistor type (necessary in the CFi motors to reduce ignition noise in the computers)
9 = Heat Rating (2 being hottest, 12 being the coldest)
E = Thread Reach 19.0mm
iX = Fine wire Iridium center electrode 0.6mm
or V = Fine wire Gold Paladium center electrode 1.0mm
 
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Guys I collected this data based on a high hp turbo audi application. An engine and management system that is far superior to any sled that will ever be manufactured. I have hundreds of hrs of data logging that shows my results are accurate. I have nothing to prove to any of you since I am a real mechanic and went to the extent to get the information I gathered. Take what you want from my post, just don't come on here and tell me what you think without any real knowledge of the subject other than "what you hear" from other people.

The iridium plug that BD uses is a non-projector tip? Well that is a plug then with totally different characteristic on how it works and fires inside the combustion chamber. There is other ways like that, that make spark plugs different from each other. Take the Bosch F5DPOR for example, it uses a side firing design and with that design can use a very small gap compared to your "normal" plug. This design makes the timing and deto characteristic work optimally for the metal compound and heat range it uses. Your normal plug could not get away with this small of a plug gap and work like it was designed. I can get around the same timing pull characteristic on a F5DPOR platinum plug than I can in the same heat range copper FR5DTC plug purely based on how that plug was designed and how it reacts with the engine management system Bosch ME7.5. The only difference is the copper plug will still show cooler EGT values on back to back WOT pulls.

I compared these following plugs in a 400whp A4 with a 2871R pushing over 25psi on race gas in the same ambient conditions: NGK6E, NGK7E, NGK7EIX, NGK8EIX, NGK9EIX, Bosch F5DPOR, Bosch FR5DTC, Bosch F6DTC, Bosch PFR6Q, Bosch PFR7Q Denso IK22, Denso IK24

All I am talking about here is timing and heat characteristics between the types of plugs and their design. ECU's can be tuned to specific plug configurations/types. No where did I say that copper plugs are great in cold weather/engine startup apps or not prone to fouling much quicker than a iridium plug. Copper plugs do not last that long, we all know this.
 
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Apples to Oranges..an Audi in a V arangement is not a twin cylinder 2 stroke!
For a myriad of reasons ...............an inline is worse. Your results are skewed towards your test subject.
I have never seen TWO "PRIMARY" reasons on anything, nice ride that Audi!:eek::beer;:beer;
 
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V arrangement? My audi is an inline 4. This is not about what type of engine I tested this on. This is about Copper being a better conductor of heat and electricity over iridium and platinum. If anyone trys to come on here and tell me different than that simple FACT then please get back to the drugs you are on or go do a simple google search. :beer;

An iridium plug will outlast a copper plug by 10 fold mileage wise. No where did I state different. I am done trying to please the keyboard mechanics on this forum. Lets get back to riding and having a great rest of the winter. Pray for snow! :beer;:beer;
 
There are lots of differences between 2-Stroke and 4-Stroke.

4 Strokes have tighter tolerances for performance, that is why these pin-point, extremely accurate plugs are being used on 4-Strokes. As well as the fact that these materials work with the longer 100K mile service intervals of auto manufacturers and comply with emissions controls.

The ignition of the A/F mixture has nothing to do with the heat range of the plug. The SPARK ignites the mixture and the temperature of that electrical spark is controlled by the electronics.

The heat range has to do with the ability of the plug to perform as designed based on the combustion conditions of the chamber.

Using two lower temp levels WILL impact the plugs performance and probably become fouled because they are too cold for the combustion mixture. Two temp levels higher will result in pre-ignition.

These plugs, engines and fuel mixtures are designed to work together as a team. Unless you have advanced degrees in thermodynamics and access to the design specs, you would probably be just guessing at what to do.

These Polaris engines are designed around the Champion plug, nothing else.
 
V arrangement? My audi is an inline 4. This is not about what type of engine I tested this on. This is about Copper being a better conductor of heat and electricity over iridium and platinum. If anyone trys to come on here and tell me different than that simple FACT then please get back to the drugs you are on or go do a simple google search. :beer;

An iridium plug will outlast a copper plug by 10 fold mileage wise. No where did I state different. I am done trying to please the keyboard mechanics on this forum. Lets get back to riding and having a great rest of the winter. Pray for snow! :beer;:beer;

Thank god you are not trying to please us " keyboard mechanics"
As you said copper is a good condutor of heat, that said a spark plug is only
tipped platinum or iridium for wear and temperature resistance,the center is COPPER...:beer;... coincidence I think not.
High performance typicaly requests higher combustion pressures thus iridium and platinum reccomndations...oh my drugs are calling gotta go:face-icon-small-con
 
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