The 2013s!!! What's stopping you from buying?

[PJ-Hunter]

I can honestly tell you, for me it's those stupid high prices!!!!

$13.5K avg, FOR A STOCKER??!! And honestly not that much stuff to change the game. I mean it's stuff we already do to our sleds and IMO it's cheaper for us to do it on our own since we aren't paying for factory R&D.

Example:
I ride an 09 XP 154 which I paid $8300 OTD New.
I narrowed my front end to match the 2012 front end geometry - $100
I relocated and changed rear suspension to match - trades and scrap aluminum from work
Better Boards to stiffen my rails and better snow removal - $250
A better track than the Challenger Lite - $600 (i traded my Lite so new cost me $300)
Steering column relocate $100
Belt Drive $1100
Front Shocks $650

So, I spent $2800 in aftermarket mods to make my 09 basically the same sled as a 2013 XP, minus the belt drive. I did a ton of searching on ebay for shocks. Found the style and dimensions I wanted and sent them in to be rebuilt and valved for my sled. That was $50 to do that.

So I spent $11150 total on my sled and in the end I have better quality parts than stock

Now, I have fallen in love with boost and will never not run boost again so I spent $4300 installed on that. I'm sitting at $15450. Two grand more than a stock sled. If I had a 2013 I'd have to boost it, so add $4300 (just cause that is what I spent, I know that the new boost kits are more expensive) so now the 2013 is tipping the price scales at $17800, now I'm behind my current sled by $2350. Same weight on both.

That's what is stopping me. I think that the MSRP of these sleds is stupid high and the factory/sled industry is doing nothing but cutting it's own throat.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

If you were to not add a turbo, there are other things that most riders do:

Dump stock exhaust:
You are lucky if you can sell it for $200
Buy new pipe, y-pipe and can, lets go with $650


I know there is other stuff but it's escaping me at the moment.

 

[mtbroncrider]

I'm planning on snowchecking a pair of new 800 Pro's.......no idea how I'm gonna finance them though...LOL

these things are gonna cost as much as my wife's mini van did a few years ago

I cant believe how high the price is....fricking crazy for a 5 month toy....a new 4 wheeler is about half that!

 

[PJ-Hunter]

5 Month?? If I'm lucky, I ride 4 months.

I wait till there is a good base and ride all of the fresh pow I can. I stop when the snow gets wet, heavy and hard packed.



And another thing I don't get is the guys who buy a new one, every season, AND MOD IT! These things are designed to last more than a couple 1000 miles. A rebuild may cost you $600 bucks if you just replace all of the moving engine parts and that's a pretty high guess, IMO.

Our passion for sledding is being threatened more and more every day by the enviro-whacko groups and I would have never thought that the second biggest threat to the death of snowmobiling would be the manufacturers.

 

[winter brew]

What is warranty worth? What if the engine in a older sled takes a crap...you are then possibly out less $$ if you had just bought the new sled vs fixing the old sled....which is still only worth $5500 even with a new engine but you have $12K+ invested with the new or rebuilt engine.....then figure $200-500/year in replacing worn out parts (clutching, susp, etc..) after the 2nd or 3rd year. It all adds up.
IMO replacing a sled every 2 years is the most "economical"...LOL, if you can call anything involving sleds economical .....before it needs a lot of maintainance or the warranty runs out.
No matter how you look at it, having a newer sled is never cheap!

 

[PJ-Hunter]

I had a two year warranty on my 2009, I paid $8300 and then paid another 200 for a thrid year.

13.5k for a new sled is unjustifiable, specially for a sled that gets used on weekends for 5 months (avg).

 

[Rush44]

I just looked at the new 2013 Arctic Cat 1100 HCR Pro Climb.... $15,200 out of the BOX.... good GOD. I don't care if it produces 171 HP, that's some serious coin. That's partially why I was so attracted to the Mountain Horse. Not only is the thing a kick in the pants to ride, I get to drop the track and ride it all summer and fall.

FINALLY! One toy that supports me year round. Great value.

 

[tudizzle]

every two years for me...cost not a factor.

I ride with a bunch of different people, almost everybody has a new sled with a turbo to boot.

The way we ride by the third year most of our sleds are cobbled together.


New sleds for me simply comes down to wanting to ride. After you get a couple seasons (real 50+ days 2k mile seasons) on a sled the truth is they are just less reliable. I want a sled that is going to work every time I make time to get on the hill. Chances are greater that a new sled will accomplish that for me.



No matter you did to your 9...it will never be as good as my 12E

 

[Slick]

I think 2 years is pretty realistic for the riding we do, we just get way to far from the trucks, and most of the areas you can't pull em out, and if you try, you are gonna screw up the day for your whole group. We are 2 to 3000 miles a year, all mountains and after 2 years i don't care how much maintenance or handy you are, theat sled will no way be as dependable as a new one. Sure new ones go down, but way way better odds on new one. I'll add, the beginning of each year when dealer X releases their newest sham wow stuff, we are always pretty careful to make sure we give the new junk a good test before it gets too far back also. Had some Cat belt issues this year with guys, in 07 I just hated goin with the XRS Doo's same as in 08 09 with the draggins, outcomewas very often pre determined. Since 11 the M's, Pro's and XP's have been awesome, pretty trustworthy IMO. Like it or not you put 5000 ish miles at high RPM's on any of them, you better expect issues, yeah it sucks, but thats the price we gotta pay.

 

[johnny be bad]

after owning a xp to a e tec. the e tec is a way better motor. and the new chassis will be way better then your old skid. just sayin

 

[Himark]

Flat out PRICE!

This will be the year they discover (like Honda did) in 1987 that they overpriced there units. They will lower the MSRP in 2014 mark my words! It wont be much but the MSRP will be a few hundred lower in 14 or they will have some BS program they will say just came out to cut costs temporarly.

 

[snowmobiler]

gramma cut my allowance

 

[PJ-Hunter]

No matter you did to your 9...it will never be as good as my 12E

LOL. It seems to do just fine and the motor got replaced last year when it seized. So technically I have another couple years left.

I'll be getting a new one (not a 13, unless State Farm buys me one), but as always I'll wait till the Spring and get the last year's model on a holdover for way less than what the Snow Check buyers pay.

Mine looks prettier though, at least it does after your tree derby last week. If I got to ride as much as you, things would be different. Hopefully now that the wifey had the same days off as I do, now I can bust out 3 day weeknds the rest of the year.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

after owning a xp to a e tec. the e tec is a way better motor. and the new chassis will be way better then your old skid. just sayin

Not 5k better JBB

 

[tudizzle]

Mine looks prettier though, at least it does after your tree derby last week.

chicks dig scars

 

[togwotee9]

I have a new army green Freeride with my name on it. I get a new one every two years. I work hard, so when I go to the mountain I want to ride not work on a sled (yes I know new sleds break to) Same thing with my diesel truck, when they hit 125K I pass them down to employees. Call me silly.

 

[ManBearPig]

Going up

I have a feeling prices are going to continue this trend of going up. In my line of work now, Inflation in costs are coming from all sides. Wish that wasn't the case but it is. I'm sure the Sleds companies are under the same price stresses as my manufacturing company.

Fuel Costs - Crazy
Shipping Costs - Unbelievable at times right now.
Parts and Raw material - I'm dealing with cost increases of up to 40% higher than a year ago.
Taxes - Up, Up, Up (import tax, export tax, income tax, sales tax...)
But when I try and pass these costs along to the consumer, they freak out and won't pay, so I discount to old pricing in order to get the business and the people that get the shaft are the workers. Sorry guys, no pay increases this year. Sad circle we are in. We are busier than ever but make less profit if any than ever before.

My get away - Snowmobiling. Very expensive hobby but I'll continue to pay to ride less ground because that is what I like to do and will continue to do until snowshoeing appeals to me.

Speaking of sledding, Big storm in the works for Colorado

 

[PJ-Hunter]

I have a new army green Freeride with my name on it. I get a new one every two years. I work hard, so when I go to the mountain I want to ride not work on a sled (yes I know new sleds break to) Same thing with my diesel truck, when they hit 125K I pass them down to employees. Call me silly.

Funny you say that. I have seen more 2012s busted this year than the older sleds.

We all work hard but unless you have an unlimited spending account, pay for the sled through the business account or have a wife that buys you whatever you want, 14k is a tough pill to swallow. Like MBP says, we will continue to pay but it's getting hard. That's why I'm getting better at working on them. Cause I'll ride it for 4 seasons.

 

[togwotee9]

Funny you say that. I have seen more 2012s busted this year than the older sleds.

We all work hard but unless you have an unlimited spending account, pay for the sled through the business account or have a wife that buys you whatever you want, 14k is a tough pill to swallow. Like MBP says, we will continue to pay but it's getting hard. That's why I'm getting better at working on them. Cause I'll ride it for 4 seasons.

I'm pretty sure there are more ways to pay for a sled then the three narrow minded ones you posted, but my business account works well for me.

I'm on a 2011 FreeRide with no problems but the ones I've caused.

 

[snowmobiler]

a friend bought 2-10 year old sleds with a trailer.sold 1 and the trailer.so the mod sled he rides now was free.smart guy.