I just wanted to say thanks to Big John for steering me in the right direction. I had BJ set up my 09 XP 800 renagade for my first trip out west. He did a sweet setup and it worked great. I had a blast in the Big Horns and came home wanting more. I talked to him about streching my gad or going with a summit. He said to take the beating and get a summit. So I made the trade for a 09 800 Summit X 154. I can't wait to go back and get schooled all over again in riding in the MT's. I have been riding sleds in MN for years and never had as much fun as I did out west. I'm hooked and can't stop thinking about it. Thanks again for your honest opinion and work. Jeff