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Ted Kennedy's Hate Crimes Bill with Magical Statistics

After I read Senator Ted Kennedy's Bill S909, The Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act, I found some very fishy statements, which got me to wondering "where did they get their information for these statements?" So I called Senator Kennedy's office and after getting no answers, started cross referencing with FBI statistics, Library of Congress, etc. This Bill appears to be filled with bogus statistics and has no basis in fact.

First, I don't hate gay people and no one I know in any of the three states I've lived in hates gay people. In fact I know and am related to gay people. So I started wondering, where are all these dangerous people keeping gays from holding jobs and making them have to move out of state to escape the violence, and chasing them across state lines? Who is targeting them and preventing them from purchasing goods and services, getting jobs or participating in "commercial activity"?

Here are the quotes from the bill in Section 2: (6) Such violence substantially affects interstate commerce in many ways, including the following:
(A) The movement of members of targeted groups is impeded, and members of such groups are forced to move across State lines to escape the incidence or risk of such violence.
(B) Members of targeted groups are prevented from purchasing goods and services, obtaining or sustaining employment, or participating in other commercial activity.
(C) Perpetrators cross State lines to commit such violence.

This is when I called Senator Kennedy's Judiciary Committee Staff office several times. They have been stonewalling, saying "I don't know" an awful lot and not telling me where the statements are coming from. The first guy said they get their info for Bills from "independent research groups" and FBI, DOJ, Library of Congress. He said I needed to talk to the Judiciary Committee staff who wrote the bill. But they were in a meeting. A few more calls yielded no one answering the phone. Finally, a Judiciary Comm Staff lady made it sound like it would take her just as long to find the info as it would for me to.

So I called Library of Congress on Capitol Hill in DC. They said Kennedy's staff should have all the notes to all their sources at their fingertips, since they wrote the bill. Hmmmmmm.

I also have documents from ABCs 20/20 program November 26, 2004 where Elizabeth Vargas reported that the Matthew Shepard murder was determined by the jury to NOT to be a hate crime.

The perpetrator had been on a five-day meth binge and was jonesing for more meth and tried to rob Matthew and ended up killing him. He then went out and 20 minutes later perpetrated the same crime on another person.
http://newsbusters.org/node/29894/print

Then I looked on the FBI website (www.fbi.gov) under hate crimes, since the Judiciary Committee staffer said they use the FBI for some of the stats for their Bills, and found the latest statistics from 2007 "Incidents and Offenses" to say that law enforcement agencies reported Religious Bias crimes accounted for 1477 offenses, and Sexual Orientation Bias offenses accounted for 1460. They do not define "offense" if it includes hate speech or gay-on-gay violence or what. Violence and offenses seem to mean different things. (I say gay-on-gay violence because in my 20+ years typing emergency room visits for multiple hospitals in Southern California, gays coming in to the ER beaten up are beat up by their boyfriends, not as a result of hate crimes.)

So crimes against gays are LESS in number than crimes against religious people and if you do the math dividing 300 million Americans into 1460 "offenses" it ends up being about 0.00004-ish percent of the population.

The House already voted on this and Senators are voting on this bill any day with bogus information! Those of you who read it and look into it are now armed with sufficient information to call your Senators Monday and say you'd like them to not vote for a bill that is completely unnecessary and filled with BS.

I find it deceptive to be naming this the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Bill, when Matt was the victim of a meth-junky needing another fix. You'll find all the info you need about the trial in the link, which links to the ABC site. If Republicans pulled this crap, don't you think it would be all over the news?
 
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Thanks for the info and heads up.
Sadly, it will probably pass as most of congress has gay tendencies and want to protect themselves in the future.
Look at Sen. Larry Craig as an example, and he didn't even appear gay!


I'll call my reps, but it has probably been set in stone if Kennedy is in on it.
 
ROTFL! Good one. Larry Craig used to be my senator when I lived in Idaho. That was pretty bizarre.

Yes, PLEASE call your Senators anyway! They need to know you are on to them, even if it doesn't stop the bill!

Just think, if they actually know you're informed, how freaked out will they be? Esp. when election time comes. Heck, the Congressmen don't even read the bills, what ever will they do if they figure out WE'RE reading them and we know more than they do! Even if you just skim the bills or part of them, it's better than nothing. A lot of it's double-speak, but I only worry about what I do understand and ask for help from my Reps on parts I don't depending on how important the bill is. They have resources we don't have that help explain bills like the Congressional Research Service.

I heard some stats from my Rep's campaign manager that a huge percentage of voters not only don't bother to research who they vote for, but some don't even see the names of the candidates until they see their names on the ballot. I FREAKED when I heard that. No WONDER we're in the situation we're in today.

Please, please, please don't give up, just because there's currently corruption, deceit, trickery, palm-greasing, back-stabbing, and pathological liars in Congress and the White House!
 
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Remember the cartoon drawing of the frog halfway down the crane's throat with his hands arount it's neck so it cant swallow, with the caption "never give up"...that was the position of the silent majority of this country when Insane Obamination was elected...I won't give up, count on that!
 
The gay movement is one of the biggest things going on right now in our country, it's no surprise that the politicians are catering to them, they will jump on ANY bandwagon that will get them elected again.
 
awesome job finding/asking the critical questions... thanks for the info!!!:beer;:beer;



After I read Senator Ted Kennedy's Bill S909, The Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act, I found some very fishy statements, which got me to wondering "where did they get their information for these statements?" So I called Senator Kennedy's office and after getting no answers, started cross referencing with FBI statistics, Library of Congress, etc. This Bill appears to be filled with bogus statistics and has no basis in fact.

First, I don't hate gay people and no one I know in any of the three states I've lived in hates gay people. In fact I know and am related to gay people. So I started wondering, where are all these dangerous people keeping gays from holding jobs and making them have to move out of state to escape the violence, and chasing them across state lines? Who is targeting them and preventing them from purchasing goods and services, getting jobs or participating in "commercial activity"?

Here are the quotes from the bill in Section 2: (6) Such violence substantially affects interstate commerce in many ways, including the following:
(A) The movement of members of targeted groups is impeded, and members of such groups are forced to move across State lines to escape the incidence or risk of such violence.
(B) Members of targeted groups are prevented from purchasing goods and services, obtaining or sustaining employment, or participating in other commercial activity.
(C) Perpetrators cross State lines to commit such violence.

This is when I called Senator Kennedy's Judiciary Committee Staff office several times. They have been stonewalling, saying "I don't know" an awful lot and not telling me where the statements are coming from. The first guy said they get their info for Bills from "independent research groups" and FBI, DOJ, Library of Congress. He said I needed to talk to the Judiciary Committee staff who wrote the bill. But they were in a meeting. A few more calls yielded no one answering the phone. Finally, a Judiciary Comm Staff lady made it sound like it would take her just as long to find the info as it would for me to.

So I called Library of Congress on Capitol Hill in DC. They said Kennedy's staff should have all the notes to all their sources at their fingertips, since they wrote the bill. Hmmmmmm.

I also have documents from ABCs 20/20 program November 26, 2004 where Elizabeth Vargas reported that the Matthew Shepard murder was determined by the jury to NOT to be a hate crime.

The perpetrator had been on a five-day meth binge and was jonesing for more meth and tried to rob Matthew and ended up killing him. He then went out and 20 minutes later perpetrated the same crime on another person.
http://newsbusters.org/node/29894/print

Then I looked on the FBI website (www.fbi.gov) under hate crimes, since the Judiciary Committee staffer said they use the FBI for some of the stats for their Bills, and found the latest statistics from 2007 "Incidents and Offenses" to say that law enforcement agencies reported Religious Bias crimes accounted for 1477 offenses, and Sexual Orientation Bias offenses accounted for 1460. They do not define "offense" if it includes hate speech or gay-on-gay violence or what. Violence and offenses seem to mean different things. (I say gay-on-gay violence because in my 20+ years typing emergency room visits for multiple hospitals in Southern California, gays coming in to the ER beaten up are beat up by their boyfriends, not as a result of hate crimes.)

So crimes against gays are LESS in number than crimes against religious people and if you do the math dividing 300 million Americans into 1460 "offenses" it ends up being about 0.00004-ish percent of the population.

The House already voted on this and Senators are voting on this bill any day with bogus information! Those of you who read it and look into it are now armed with sufficient information to call your Senators Monday and say you'd like them to not vote for a bill that is completely unnecessary and filled with BS.

I find it deceptive to be naming this the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Bill, when Matt was the victim of a meth-junky needing another fix. You'll find all the info you need about the trial in the link, which links to the ABC site. If Republicans pulled this crap, don't you think it would be all over the news?
 
its all part of the master plan to stifle the freedoms ....under any circumstances ....just call everything a crime..and lock em up ...or put fear into the people
 
If Texas secedes, we're moving there.

Glenn Beck had our Montana dudes on his TV show on Fox yesterday. These are the two guys who made the new state gun law so guns made in MT stay in MT and aren't subject to any federal law and Utah, Texas and a bunch of other states are following. Problem is I guess our lawmakers missed some stuff and it may not stick, so the other states are doing it so it sticks.

Unfortunately we only have one conservative in the US Congress, the gov and both senators are lefty libs. At least SOMEone is for gun rights around here. But I doubt anything else will move toward states rights.

Judge Andrew Napolitano suggested that states can refuse to have their law enforcement uphold the federal laws. I guess law enforcement is a state thing and the only reason state LE does enforce Fed law is cuz the Feds don't have the resources, but they don' t have to. Slut - more details on that?

Judge Napolitano (no relation to DHS Nappy): "Montana, Texas, and Oklahoma have many legislators who are prepared to direct their law enforcement to refrain from enforcing any federal laws; to authorize that products that originate and remain within their borders not be subject to any federal regulation; and even to begin the process of seceding from the Union."
From
How To Curtail the Federal Beast: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/25372/

oops got off topic from hate crimes, but H2's comment about "call everything a crime and lock 'em up" got me going on how to stop that. Maybe I'll do a separate post on this.
 
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I think we are missing an oportunitty here!!!

If we promote bonesmugglers and slit lickers (as long as they can't adopt) in 50 years there will be no more libtard anti-gun anti-sled tellimarking subaru driving obomabats left in the country!!!



EPIC WIN!!!!!!!:D
 
Dear Mr. Gainer:

Thank you for contacting me regarding your opposition to hate crimes legislation.

While I understand you have concerns about the potential broadening of laws regarding hate crimes, I believe it is important to ensure that the perpetrators of hate crimes receive swift and vigorous prosecution. That is why I support the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act (S.909). This legislation would broaden the definition of a hate crime and would strengthen federal laws governing the investigation and prosecution of these deplorable acts. S.909 would expand the current statutory definition of hate crimes from offenses motivated by race, ethnic background, religion and national origin to include those motivated by bias against gender, sexual orientation or disability. In addition, it would authorize the federal government to provide state and local law enforcement with technical, forensic or prosecutorial assistance and would provide grants to state and local law enforcement agencies that incur expenses associated with investigating and prosecuting hate crimes. A similar bill, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act (H.R.1913), was passed by the House of Representatives on April 29, 2009.

There are more than 175 civil rights and law enforcement organizations, as well as a broad range of state and local government associations and state attorneys general, that support this legislation. These officials and groups, who work with the victims of hate crimes on a daily basis, understand that violent hate crimes affect not only the victims and their families, but are often injurious to an entire community.

Congress should take a strong stand against hate and intolerance. We have an obligation to make America a fully inclusive nation, a country that does not tolerate bias, discrimination or bigotry.

Again, thank you for sharing your views with me.

Sincerely,
Carl Levin
 
Well, ain't he a doozy!
"S909 would expand the current statutory definition of hate crimes from offenses motivated by race, ethnic background, religion and national origin to include those motivated by bias against gender, sexual orientation or disability."

So when it comes to religious person versus gay, who wins?

Funny, this morning my senator's office sent me the "statistics" to back up what I originally posted about the bogus statements. ROTFLMBO!!!!

They sent one DOJ report of a hate crime against an African-American where there were 21 counts, each punishable by 10 years and $250,000 EACH if convicted and another DOJ report of a hate crime also against African-Americans where there were several counts each punishable by the same way.

Ummmm, this is titled the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act. So how are those statistics bolstering the bogus claims?

Then he gave me a link to a site called The Southern Poverty Law Center that has links to "report hate crimes" and "add yourself to the map." What is the criteria for putting yourself on the map or reporting a hate crime?

For instance, if I'm black or gay and someone cuts me off in traffic, do I then add my name to the map and report that as a hate crime? If I get fired from my job, do I report that as a hate crime? So I'm not sure I could trust that link as legitimate. They say in that website "as the ranks of hate swell."

I see the opposite happening. I see people (including myself and my friends) who are very tolerant of others' choices and people bending over backwards to be inclusive.

Any behavior toward ANY person that is threatening or violent or intimidating is wrong and should be punished and it appears that is happening already by the two DOJ links he sent and the Matthew Shepard case, the men getting consecutive life sentences without it even being a hate crime.

So bottom line, they sent three completely unrelated examples that do nothing to validate the bogus statements in the Bill that "Such violence substantially affects interstate commerce in many ways, including the following:
(A) The movement of members of targeted groups is impeded, and members of such groups are forced to move across State lines to escape the incidence or risk of such violence.
(B) Members of targeted groups are prevented from purchasing goods and services, obtaining or sustaining employment, or participating in other commercial activity.
(C) Perpetrators cross State lines to commit such violence.


There's an agenda here.
 
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California is on the verge of releasing thousands of cons due to over-crowding and more importantly they are flat broke. Making redundant,ridiculous new laws and opening the gates have a certain irony yes?
At which point do we loose faith in goverment?
 
Wowy Zowy,
An openly gay blogger, Andrew Sullivan, wrote this article today about how S909 is about the money and special interest groups.

"The real reason for hate crime laws is not the defense of human beings from crime. There are already laws against that - and Matthew Shepard's murderers were successfully prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in a state with no hate crimes law at the time. The real reason for the invention of hate crimes was a hard-left critique of conventional liberal justice and the emergence of special interest groups which need boutique legislation to raise funds for their large staffs and luxurious buildings...When even defenders of hate crimes laws believe the federal boondoggle is superfluous - given the vast number of states with such laws on the books - you know it's meaningless. Just imagine how many direct mail pieces have gone out explaining that without more money for HRC, more gay human beings will be crucified on fences. It's very, very powerful as a money-making tool - which may explain why the largely symbolic federal bill still hasn't passed."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/intent-vs-motivation.html

So maybe Ted Kennedy needs to join Pelosi, Reid, Dodd and Franks in some "liar, liar pants on fire" Truth Commissions.
 
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