tall risers vs notso tall

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

I have always likedem tall. I have/had 10 inch on my xp. I watched "schooled" and Chris B and Bret R talked about how they used to love em tall too but now use them low. They claim it helps them ride te way they do. I installed a set of Rox adjustables on my sled. This way |I can ride the trails standing up and not have to hunch over. I tried lowering them in the trees and was pleasantly surprised that theis low riser idea works. I know it has become the thing to have ape hangers cuz we want to stand but I think you will enjoy the improved handling when you are hanging off and trying to keep "out of the weeds". sj

 

[Idaho Slim]

My view, Burandt & Rasmessum, while good riders, are well ........... Short. They are full of crap on the "Skooled" video. I am 6'4",, you tell me I can ride better hunched over, without leverage, and giving myself a lower back ache, BULLCHIZT. That is a marketing ploy, we were doing "wrong foot forward", when Burdandt was sucking on a baby bottle, and now He & Rasmessum put it on video and call it "NEW Riding technolgy"????


LMFSBO.

Risers should be taylored to your heigth, more for taller men & also for short women so they can "attain" leverage. Varying heights risers based on each individuals "tallness". To come out and say ALL riders would benefit from NO riser, is pure CRAP.

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

What are they selling in that "marketing"? Nutin. When you are trying to get over the bars or hanging off the sled the once ideal heighted tall risers are too tall. Not everyone is 6 4 and can tie thier shoes without bending over like you Slim. sj

 

[roughriders]

SLIM said it well!!

 

[theultrarider]

Looking cool has nothing to do with the heoght of my risers. When you have a 36" inseam on your Levi's, you have what others may think are ape hangers. To me, they are backsavers and my neck. The difference after a day of boondocking are night and day. I enjoy being able to walk the morning after. Slim has it right, they should vary with your height, not just because you want yours higher than your buddy.

 

[Dootimes2]

My view, Burandt & Rasmessum, while good riders, are well ........... Short. They are full of crap on the "Skooled" video. I am 6'4",, you tell me I can ride better hunched over, without leverage, and giving myself a lower back ache, BULLCHIZT. That is a marketing ploy, we were doing "wrong foot forward", when Burdandt was sucking on a baby bottle, and now He & Rasmessum put it on video and call it "NEW Riding technolgy"????


LMFSBO.

Risers should be taylorted to your heigth, more for taller men & short women so they can "attain" leverage. Varying heights risers based on each individuals "tallness". To come out and say ALL riders would benefit from NO riser, is pure CRAP.

Slim, how do really feel. I do agree with you. I am 5'6 with my boots on and I raised my 07 xrs bars by 2" and find it to be much better. I get more leverage and can side hill better as I can get my weight off the side better ( did not really have a problem before, but it is even easier now ). Also for smaller people if you are off camber and throttle is downhill it is easier to reach as it is higher and can get more leverage on it as I am not so hunched over tyring to reach it which keeps my body more upright and not leaning downhill so much.

 

[shortstop20]

I'm with Slim, if you're taller, then higher risers are needed. Burandt and Rasmussen are short like he said.

Before someone points it out I'll just say it. Taller people usually have longer arms as well which makes their wrist to floor measurement not much different than a shorter person's wrist to floor measurement but the difference is, a taller person still has to hunch their back over more if using the same riser. A taller person's arms are at a more vertical angle which hunches the shoulders and back over more.

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

I thoght the same way.... i also couldnt stand having low bars for any length of time while normal riding. Hence the adjustables. Dont knock it till you try it.

 

[theultrarider]

I rode with them short for 30 years. Been there done that. I am not going back. As a matter of fact, I am waiting for my new taller risers to show up. One more inch will be perfect. Yes, one can go too tall, I agree. There is a happy medium.

 

[winter brew]

As long as we're on the subject....on the XP's a common mistake (mistake IMHO) is moving the bars too far forward. This just ruins the balance of the chassis moving the rider too far forward, also when sidehilling or anything else that requires countersteering this will cause the bars to go through that goofy arc and pulls the bars away from the rider while you're trying to pull the sled towards you. Bars back a bit makes things much easier and natural. For me the stock riser or 2" over works good at 6'.....IMO

 

[Seeyacop]

I have tried the lower riser, the stock one, and it sucks. I am 6'3'' without my boots on so I need a taller riser. I guess if I was running a turbo and my skis were always in the air maybe I would not need a taller riser.

I agree for some people they buy them and don't need them, but for tall people it is a necessity.

 

[Idaho Slim]

I thoght the same way.... i also couldnt stand having low bars for any length of time while normal riding. Hence the adjustables. Dont knock it till you try it.

I Tried it Jonnsie on the new Cat, great item, (adjustable bar) but there is NO situation where a LOW mount position was more beneficial for ME. The useability of an adjustable riser is great to doo like I said, "Tailor it to the riders stature." I sat in on Rasmussuns presentation, and his comment was, "ALL riders would be better riders with NO riser", again - I say pure BULLCHIZT.

 

[DaveB]

Gotta go with Slim on this one Johnsie. According to Wiki...the ave height of a North American male is 5' 8" (Canadian male 5' 8.5")....so if sleds are built to the masses....which they are...this is the height they are built for. I'm with Slim at 6'4" (but I'm not-so-slim) and I'm reasonably comfortable with 11" risers on my XP (3" over stock).

 

[fatguy1]

Those Cats that those guys are riding handle way different than my Xp, I rode a buddies and found that it didn't require the same amount of body English that I use on the Xp.

I hate the whole ape hanger look with the tall bars, however call me a wimp but my back just loves the tall bars. I would like to know how many km (Miles for those to the south) those guys put on in a day??? I could get away with shorter bars if I only rode 80 km a day and had a 1/2 hour drive to the mountains. For me because of local we drive for 2.5 hours, put on about 170 km and then drive home 2.5 hours. I'm not 18 anymore and I'm not the pinnacle of health I once was…. I’ll stick with my 2” over stock riser.

Just my two cents

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

i agree the 2 over is wayyy more comfy when standing on the sled doing nothing. What Im saying is that once you get in the trees and are way off the sled , bent somewhat at the waist and knees bent those 10 inch risers are now too tall for leverage. Im a midget at 5 10 and the 2 over feels perfect. I now have the rox deal and at its tallest setting is 1 over , still feels good when just standing. When i get to the slopes and trees I drop it to about 2-3 under and I can man handle the sled much better and when the front end is trying to come over i can get over the bars much better. Just saying to try it sometime if you are swapping risers , you might like it , i did. Them 2 short cat riders seem to be able to ride being so short... and cat riders

 

[trials rider]

i had higher than stock on my sled but found on tecnical up hills like creek beds and on jumps the bars were allways in my chest which made it a lot harder to manouver the sled. i have a 5 inch riser and a couple inch rise wider than stock bar. so close to stock height but the wider bar made all the difference in comfort at the end of the day for a guy with wide shoulders. these are the same bars i run on my motorbike. no question on the trail the taller bars were great i like to stand up all the time but for me i want to feel like im on a motorbike going through the bumps. you should have youre knees bent and be in a more agressive stance anyway. and as far as riser being tilted back i cant stand it that way mine is close to vertical this allows me to stand anywere on the running boards. knees bent and low down when pounding bumps and more forward and upright when cruising. this is how most guys i know have there sleds setup. i dont know how you guys can have the riser tilted back? maybe on the longer track sleds?
this is just how i like my set up now works for me i say lower and wider than stock if anything im 5 11 and around 200 pounds

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

I have mine tilted ahead a little. Id like to have the 2010 HC post position.

 

[shortstop20]

As long as we're on the subject....on the XP's a common mistake (mistake IMHO) is moving the bars too far forward. This just ruins the balance of the chassis moving the rider too far forward, also when sidehilling or anything else that requires countersteering this will cause the bars to go through that goofy arc and pulls the bars away from the rider while you're trying to pull the sled towards you. Bars back a bit makes things much easier and natural. For me the stock riser or 2" over works good at 6'.....IMO

What do you think about the forward post mod, that way a guy can have them a little further forward but still have the riser/bars inline with the steering post.

i dont know how you guys can have the riser tilted back? maybe on the longer track sleds?
this is just how i like my set up now works for me i say lower and wider than stock if anything im 5 11 and around 200 pounds

Have you tried moving them back? I didn't think I'd ever like them back either but I tried and it handles so much better than the upright position it's ridiculous.

The sled is horribly twitchy and wants to stay on both ski's with the bars straight up in the air.

 

[winter brew]

"What do you think about the forward post mod, that way a guy can have them a little further forward but still have the riser/bars inline with the steering post. "


Havn't ridden it so all speculation.....but I would think it would be a good setup especially for the taller chimpanze armed guys. It would get rid of that goofy "arc" the bars go through when turning/sidehilling.
Rider weight too far forward isn't always good either, lots of chassis weight up front already. Would like to try it though!

 

[shortstop20]

Would like to try it though!

So would I, just on somebody else's sled.