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so was the 13 Pro........
you see where all that testing went for the mass production 13's right.....
T-motion on a Pro
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so was the 13 Pro........
you see where all that testing went for the mass production 13's right.....
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IdahoPowderHound
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Tmotion is only a part of that showroom tippyness..... the extremely narrow front end and the track with no outside fiberglass is what makes that sled want to "fall over". As far as that skid in a Pro....the Ski-doo has a 16" wide track thus being a wider skid that i dont belive would mount in a Pro. plus the skid is designed to work with the chassis.... Its just funny the lengths that ski-doo has gone to compeat with the Pro chassie. the idea of a skid that allows some degree of motion of internal parts on a pro like the tmotion coupled with a 36" stance and a 15" wide track missing the outside fiberglass would be interesting for sure and would probably make the pro unstable to the point it would be hard to ride.
you guys are showing your true POO colors. I'm stoked to be on a Poo this year, but why diss so hard on the others? The XM is solid sled. I had a VERY hard time choosing between the two, and you can't knock that's it motor is SOLID in comparison with the Poo. The XM chassis is a HUGE improvement over the XP in everyway. It's damn good sled.
I ended up with a Pro, and i'm happy so far and am very impressed - but i wish it had the ETEC in it to be honest. Everything else is first rate (well except the driveshaft! ha ha).
It's a great year to buying a new sled. Maybe if we keep our minds a little more open, we'll have more fun?
I ended up with a Pro, and i'm happy so far and am very impressed - but i wish it had the ETEC in it to be honest. Everything else is first rate (well except the driveshaft! ha ha).
It's a great year to buying a new sled. Maybe if we keep our minds a little more open, we'll have more fun?
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tukernater
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Weird my buddy sold his pro because it was to tippy,but loves his XM .
dont forget you can make any xp chassis into a tmotion sled, as well as the front end bolts right on.
not many makes will design better upgraded parts that retro fit into the older models. it reminds me of some of the Japanese off road makes that would rather have good reliability and customer base as opposed to having all the new "bells and whistles" that are untried and untested.
not many makes will design better upgraded parts that retro fit into the older models. it reminds me of some of the Japanese off road makes that would rather have good reliability and customer base as opposed to having all the new "bells and whistles" that are untried and untested.
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Oregonsledder
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I’m curious how a tilting skid is a better idea. I have not ridden a Tmotion so I don’t have any actual experience with one, but when you stand on it in the show room and the chassis tips when you pull one direction or the other, isn’t the track still flat on the ground? Don’t you want the track on it’s edge to get the side hilling results? So I guess my question is what advantage is it to have the skid tilt? Is it so that you body weight is leading the lean and then the skid catches up? I guess I don’t get it.
IMO the PRO side hills so well, because of the rigidity of the chassis coupled with the rider position and weight and therefore rider input makes it easy to get the track on edge in the carving alignment.
I guess I think of the Tmotion concept like have a ski boot that had a hinge on the side of the ankle so that you could bend your ankle/foot relative to the slope, therefore keeping the ski flat on the snow. I don’t think that would have been a good approach for skiing and I question it on a snowmobile.
IMO the PRO side hills so well, because of the rigidity of the chassis coupled with the rider position and weight and therefore rider input makes it easy to get the track on edge in the carving alignment.
I guess I think of the Tmotion concept like have a ski boot that had a hinge on the side of the ankle so that you could bend your ankle/foot relative to the slope, therefore keeping the ski flat on the snow. I don’t think that would have been a good approach for skiing and I question it on a snowmobile.
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IdahoPowderHound
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you guys are showing your true POO colors. I'm stoked to be on a Poo this year, but why diss so hard on the others? The XM is solid sled. I had a VERY hard time choosing between the two, and you can't knock that's it motor is SOLID in comparison with the Poo. The XM chassis is a HUGE improvement over the XP in everyway. It's damn good sled.
I ended up with a Pro, and i'm happy so far and am very impressed - but i wish it had the ETEC in it to be honest. Everything else is first rate (well except the driveshaft! ha ha).
It's a great year to buying a new sled. Maybe if we keep our minds a little more open, we'll have more fun?
i wasnt trying to diss on Ski-doo but if you think of all the "outside of the box" engineering that went into this chassie to compete with the Pro it makes you wonder... super narrow ski stance, flexable track, and a skid that rotates to make it have the sidehilling characteristics of a pro..........
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IdahoPowderHound
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Your right, that is weird..... according to doo fans the XM is easier to tip over than the Pro......
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NITROSKIDUDE
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The only thing I can disagree on is that the skid is the same width it is just the track that is wider on the edges
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tukernater
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Yep can be,but can also be firmed up.Alot like a poo it's all in set up now.Your right, that is weird..... according to doo fans the XM is easier to tip over than the Pro......
Hilarious comment. Please tell us about the reliability of the gimmicky ProTow. After all it is the most fragile sled on the market...I mean flickable...
Has anyone tried the WPS tool that breaks the fiberglass rod on the tracks to make it flexible like the new doo track.
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gorilla
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I have put the t-motion on my wife's 2012 etec and I can toss it around very easily. I also have a 154 2012 Doo along with my 2012 Pro RMK and stock to stock, the Pro is way easier to sidehill. But, with the t-motion, her sled is pretty damn close to the Pro. The stock clutching on the Doo sucks, but now have Roosterbuilt clutching on both XP's. So, with the "gimmicks" that Doo has come up with, they are sure making the Summit a real contender with the Pro in the climbing/sidehilling market. I bought the Pro because it is easier to turbo and it's a much better sled for the deep powder. But, the Summit is damn close. Only time will tell if the t-motion will break with repeated bashing on whoops and tracked out climbs. That heim joint looks plenty weak in my opinion, that why I didn't put the t-motion on my sled.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
Like others have stated, if u throw a zbroz 36" arm kit on a pro, it will be much tippier(I think this aids in the tippyness of the xm). The xm is a very nice sled and it nice to see a sled that is in the same league as the pro...
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Hiterhard
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Training wheels, tip over motion, turd motion, call it what you will.... It works, and so far a lot of people including myself are happy with the results of how it made the doo handle. I can see two years from now Polaris building a skid that hinges in a different way and the same people that say its a "gimmick" saying "Polaris is so innovative and pushing the sport". Kinda like when Polaris came up with the pyramid frame all by "themselves" 
Btw I'm the only doo in my group so Polaris is definetly doing something right, just fun to flip each other some sh!# from time to time. We all reap the benifits of good competition and new technology.
Btw I'm the only doo in my group so Polaris is definetly doing something right, just fun to flip each other some sh!# from time to time. We all reap the benifits of good competition and new technology.
I have never seen a T-motion in person but am skeptical how it works. The front torque arm doesnt twist so how does the whole suspension twist if theres just a ball jpint on the rear torque arm? The way i see it is the suspension is still locked in and unable to twist since the front torque arm cant?
What am i seeing wrong here? please explain to me
What am i seeing wrong here? please explain to me
are these the same people who feel the xp handled better once you "learned how to ride it"?Your right, that is weird..... according to doo fans the XM is easier to tip over than the Pro......
The front torque arm on the xm are flat to allow a torsion twist... And I can attest the xm IS easier to tip over in the garage side by side of my pro, but IMO that's more related to the narrow ski stance and not the tmotion. Remember this skid only pivots up to 4* each way. The track also helps with this feeling. On the trail the xm is definitely more squirrelly than the 39" pro.
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