Stolen sleds!!

[Summitstef]

Hey everyone. My apprentice along with two of his riding partners had their sleds lifted along with the four place trailer:
'06 Artic Cat Crossfrire 7 w a 144" X 2" track. Decals are removed w/ stock
seat
'03 Polaris RMK 700
'06 Polaris RMK 700 IQ chassis
If anyone comes across this stuff please let me know. Sleds and trailer last seen in the Picardville/ Busby area of Alberta, North of Edmonton. Thanks.

 

[Mafesto]

Pisser.

Let's look out for one another in the parking lots.
If something doesn't look right, look into it.
Hopefully someone will do the same for you when needed.

 

[Blu Du]

where all these sled going in alberta

 

[knee deep in it]

to BC. They don't have to register them in BC. In every other province in Canada , you have to register them so you can't sell them. Also, the major staging areas have routine stops to check for sled registration and insurance here.

 

[Ironmanstl]

Sorry to here that buddy,

Eventually they will be caught, lets just hope its by someone who will teach them an everlasting lesson...

 

[KFD070]

to BC. They don't have to register them in BC. In every other province in Canada , you have to register them so you can't sell them. Also, the major staging areas have routine stops to check for sled registration and insurance here.

Not sure where you got your info from but "Yes" you do have to register sleds in BC. I've registered every sled I've ever owned in BC. Last year I bought 2 used sleds that the owner only used on his personal property so he had never registered them in his name. I had to have the VIN numbers run by the RCMP to confirm that they were not stolen and sign a declaration swearing the info I provided on purchase and previous ownership was legite. If you get stopped at road check in BC and are unable to provide documentation of registration and proof of ownership your sled can be taken from your possession until you can provide the required info.
Quads you don't have to register in BC.

 

[Jeff C]

Are you guys just going to sit there and let sled after sled get stolen or are you going to do something about it?

 

[KFD070]

Oh Yeah,,, back to the "stolen sled" issue. What can a person do? The authorities don't do sweet F%$& all and somewhere there obviously is a thriving market for stolen sleds. If these little bastards get caught, there's no penalty for the crime.
Somehow the market for the stolen property has to be uncovered and dealt with. If there's nowhere to sell the stolen goods the thefts will stop. No thief wants to get caught with stolen goods so they unload the booty as soon as they can. Would be nice if somehow a Sting operation could be set up as they did with the "Bait Car" here in Canada.
Until then.....if you catch em...Zip-ties around their testicles and baseball bats to the knees! Then let em go to tell all their Scumbag friends.

 

[fuzzydog]

.... If you get stopped at road check in BC and are unable to provide documentation of registration and proof of ownership your sled can be taken from your possession until you can provide the required info.....

Can you provide a link to this information?
I agree that the Motor Vehicle (all terrain) Act of BC provides that all snowmobiles have to be registered (BS tax grab IMHO) but I cannot find anywhere that shows the penalty you state, not even for operation. The only penalty I see in the Act itself is a max $500 fine and that is not immediate - it is upon conviction (of course, the easiest way to get convicted is not fight the ticket and it is assumed you plead guilty).

In addition, the RCMP can do a random pull over to confirm that you have the proper license and insurance to operate your motor vehicle (ie, your truck) on BC highways and roads.
NOWHERE, ANYWHERE IN CANADA, ARE THE RCMP OR ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER PERMITTED TO STOP YOU AND COMPEL YOU TO CONFIRM YOUR LAWFUL OWNERSHIP OF THE GOODS IN YOUR POSSESSION. (Obviously exceptions exist for current investigations, etc)
They are 2 separate things - the cops only have the right to make you pull over and identify yourself because you are operating a motor vehicle.
There is no law that you have to prove ownership of your possessions.

The All Terrain Act of BC covers the OPERATION of ATVs (including snowmobiles), not the POSSESSION.

If a cop, in a 'routine traffic stop' can ask you to prove ownership of your sleds, why stop there? - how about that ipod, your thermos, the stereo in the truck, those blinging rims and tires, the aftermarket turbo on your truck, your avalanche beacon, etc, etc, etc.

Now, if you are operating the snow machine and they want to see papers....you're screwed, but I'm betting any law enforcement would have a hard time keeping up with 99% of the riders on this forum.

 

[KFD070]

Can you provide a link to this information?
I agree that the Motor Vehicle (all terrain) Act of BC provides that all snowmobiles have to be registered (BS tax grab IMHO) but I cannot find anywhere that shows the penalty you state, not even for operation. The only penalty I see in the Act itself is a max $500 fine and that is not immediate - it is upon conviction (of course, the easiest way to get convicted is not fight the ticket and it is assumed you plead guilty).

In addition, the RCMP can do a random pull over to confirm that you have the proper license and insurance to operate your motor vehicle (ie, your truck) on BC highways and roads.
NOWHERE, ANYWHERE IN CANADA, ARE THE RCMP OR ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER PERMITTED TO STOP YOU AND COMPEL YOU TO CONFIRM YOUR LAWFUL OWNERSHIP OF THE GOODS IN YOUR POSSESSION. (Obviously exceptions exist for current investigations, etc)
They are 2 separate things - the cops only have the right to make you pull over and identify yourself because you are operating a motor vehicle.
There is no law that you have to prove ownership of your possessions.

The All Terrain Act of BC covers the OPERATION of ATVs (including snowmobiles), not the POSSESSION.

If a cop, in a 'routine traffic stop' can ask you to prove ownership of your sleds, why stop there? - how about that ipod, your thermos, the stereo in the truck, those blinging rims and tires, the aftermarket turbo on your truck, your avalanche beacon, etc, etc, etc.

Now, if you are operating the snow machine and they want to see papers....you're screwed, but I'm betting any law enforcement would have a hard time keeping up with 99% of the riders on this forum.

Unfortunately, no I cannot provide a link to that info. I am going off personal experience where about 15 years ago a buddy of mine, whose sled was not registered, had his sled confiscated at an RCMP road check. The possibility may exist that a sled similar to his had been reported stolen and thus the reason for confiscation until he could provide proof of ownership. He got the sled back the next day with very little problem but he did have to register it after that.

 

[spring snow hero]

dang, my northern neighbor buddies. do you guys get in trouble for stealing up there? I was amazed at how clean canada was when I was passing through and yet the place is filled with thieves.....bummer. you guys need to write your leaders and ask for a beheading in the city center.....that is how we used to handle it here, and there was never a sled stolen back then

sorry for your ape.

 

[fuzzydog]

Oh Yeah,,, back to the "stolen sled" issue. What can a person do? The authorities don't do sweet F%$& all and somewhere there obviously is a thriving market for stolen sleds. If these little bastards get caught, there's no penalty for the crime.
Somehow the market for the stolen property has to be uncovered and dealt with. If there's nowhere to sell the stolen goods the thefts will stop. No thief wants to get caught with stolen goods so they unload the booty as soon as they can. Would be nice if somehow a Sting operation could be set up as they did with the "Bait Car" here in Canada.
Until then.....if you catch em...Zip-ties around their testicles and baseball bats to the knees! Then let em go to tell all their Scumbag friends.

since I've already gotten going....

We have a major problem here in Canada, and likely the rest of the civilized world. Our authorities focus on crime is NOT prevention or consequences for perpetrators. The focus is on rehabilitation and trying to understand why the crimes are committed and from there they want to put in social programs to 'help' the poor criminals. The cops do a decent job of catching these guys, but then the 'system' lets them go.

Any idiot can see that the key to crime prevention is prosecution with extreme prejudice and extreme consequences. Take for example the thief in some asian country who got caught stealing and got his hands cut off. I can guarantee that he will not steal again. mission accomplished.
I love the idea of setting up a bait sled but I can assure you that if it happens - the authorities will not be involved, there will be no court case, and the thieves will never steal another sled.
Extreme? yes it is, but I have my eye on the ball - why go to the trouble of setting up a bait sled/car/whatever if you are not going to achieve the desired result?

yeah, yeah, I know......my neck is as red as it can be.

 

[spring snow hero]

if its your sled and your zipties and his nutz I bet he will think a few times next time. that might be prosecution enough

 

[KFD070]

since I've already gotten going....

We have a major problem here in Canada, and likely the rest of the civilized world. Our authorities focus on crime is NOT prevention or consequences for perpetrators. The focus is on rehabilitation and trying to understand why the crimes are committed and from there they want to put in social programs to 'help' the poor criminals. The cops do a decent job of catching these guys, but then the 'system' lets them go.

Any idiot can see that the key to crime prevention is prosecution with extreme prejudice and extreme consequences. Take for example the thief in some asian country who got caught stealing and got his hands cut off. I can guarantee that he will not steal again. mission accomplished.
I love the idea of setting up a bait sled but I can assure you that if it happens - the authorities will not be involved, there will be no court case, and the thieves will never steal another sled.
Extreme? yes it is, but I have my eye on the ball - why go to the trouble of setting up a bait sled/car/whatever if you are not going to achieve the desired result?

yeah, yeah, I know......my neck is as red as it can be.

Amen!
Here in Kelowna just recently, RCMP arrested 3 little Ba$tards for holding a knife to a random citzen's throat and robbing him of his wallet. The little Fu(ker$ were released a couple of hours later after promising to appear in Court at a later date. Our system is seriously flawed.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

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