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SPOT used in Wy. rescue

Dam Dave

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From Snowest News today:


Snowmobiles Aiding Avalanche Victims Use Spot Satellite Messenger To Send 9-1-1 Message For Help



When Natalie Bertsch bought her husband a GPS-enabled SPOT Satellite Messenger for Christmas, little did she know that only a week later he would use SPOT while coming to the aid of four friends swept away in an avalanche near Laramie, WY. On Jan. 2, 2008, Brian Bertsch contacted an emergency 9-1-1 call center by pressing a single button on his handheld SPOT.

A group of snowmobilers were riding when they heard an avalanche nearby in the area where four of their friends were riding in the Snowy Mountain Range. Upon arriving on the scene, Bertsch sent his GPS location and distress message by pressing a single 9-1-1 button and immediately started helping to dig his friends out of the snow. They were able to free three before rescuers arrived. One man, reportedly in his forties, was also buried but did not survive the accident.

“I received an OK message from Brian’s SPOT telling me that he was safe,” Natalie Bertsch said. “In fact, I was viewing his location through Google Maps online at findmespot.com when I was called by the Emergency Response Center used by SPOT. They contacted me instantly and notified the local area emergency responders within minutes. SPOT’s quick response was critical in the rescue communication. I can rest easily knowing that Brian will have SPOT with him every time he snowmobiles because of the safety capabilities and peace of mind it gives me.”

The National Association of Search and Rescue estimates that there are more than 50,000 search and rescue missions launched each year in the United States. Most of these are initiated without knowledge of the victims’ location. While the popularity of GPS navigation systems and the increased coverage of wireless phone networks give some people a sense of security, anyone who routinely ventures into the wilderness knows how unreliable phone service can be in remote areas. The SPOT Satellite Messenger significantly raises the safety factor for the hundreds of millions of people around the world who take to the outdoors each year.
 
I been telling all my buds about SPOT

I havn't used it in an emergency yet, but the piece of mind it gives to my wife has well paid for it. When I'm riding with others I program their spouse's number into my SPOT and it give their wives piece of mind also.

With a research before the ride (call lists etc) it's a very useful tool.
 
Anynomous email I got today from a S&R member.

Please let people now what you say is absolutey TRUE. Tonight, 4 hrs ago my S&R drove 13miles directly to 2 men that used their SPOT. The only thing they were prepared for was using the SPOT, they had no fire, no saw, one sled totaled, and one that was a joke. 2 guys in colorado are home tonight becasue S&R could drive directly to them.period. comeplete whiteout but w/ cordinates we will come for you in a storm.

best rescue mission ever.
 
Thanks for posting on this subject. I had sent you a pm a couple of weeks ago to ask if you used yours when you had a partner get injured. Due to your circumstances (i.e. the company you were with) you used other resources. This is good information to have in the decision making process of do I or don't I.
 
We have been demoing one here at work and I was totally sold before I actually took it with me. Now, i'm not so sure...............here's why:

I was headed to the Trinities (Idaho) and hit the button 3 times:

1) hit the okay button at Deer Creek Lodge, mountains on 2 sides, clear to the sky and an open lake - that message never came through.

2) When we got to the parking lot to unload, hit the button again - mountains on 2 sides, pretty big parking lot and open - got that message.

3) Rode in quite a ways and went down a hill to play on a hill. Hit the okay button again there - mountain on one side, trees on the other, open to the sky (few clouds). That message did not go through.

So 1 out of 3 messages came through. The #3 scenario would be where you would be in a 911 situation, and that message never came through.

In all instances, the "on" light and the "okay" light were flashing in sequence, which, in my understanding, means it is talking to the satellite, so I assumed I would get all three messages.

We are doing very detailed tracking of when/where/how/etc., the buttons are pushed and it would be interesting to hear if anyone is doing this also.

:) 2fun
 
The thrifty (read cheap) voice inside my head is asking whether or not you can turn your subscription on and off during certain months of the year. I would want to have this turned up during hunting and snowmobiling, but from April-September it would probably just sit in my gear bag.
 
We have been demoing one here at work and I was totally sold before I actually took it with me. Now, i'm not so sure...............here's why:

I was headed to the Trinities (Idaho) and hit the button 3 times:

1) hit the okay button at Deer Creek Lodge, mountains on 2 sides, clear to the sky and an open lake - that message never came through.

2) When we got to the parking lot to unload, hit the button again - mountains on 2 sides, pretty big parking lot and open - got that message.

3) Rode in quite a ways and went down a hill to play on a hill. Hit the okay button again there - mountain on one side, trees on the other, open to the sky (few clouds). That message did not go through.

So 1 out of 3 messages came through. The #3 scenario would be where you would be in a 911 situation, and that message never came through.

In all instances, the "on" light and the "okay" light were flashing in sequence, which, in my understanding, means it is talking to the satellite, so I assumed I would get all three messages.

We are doing very detailed tracking of when/where/how/etc., the buttons are pushed and it would be interesting to hear if anyone is doing this also.

:) 2fun

tammy,
in your opinion, would the spot work from a ridge line or mountain top 100% of the time?

I am in the market for the garmin 530hcx but would consider spot if it can be used in the same manner and have the ability to send coordinates and information to local authorities in the event of emergency...
 
just got my SPOT this morining and will be using it from now on. I will be using it and testing over the next few weeks and will update with results.
 
In all instances, the "on" light and the "okay" light were flashing in sequence, which, in my understanding, means it is talking to the satellite, so I assumed I would get all three messages.

Nope. Spot is 1 way only. All the lights tell you is if the message was successfully sent from your device. You have no way of knowing if the satellite received the message or not.

IF your message gets recieved the SPOT is a great, inexpensive tool. With a new device like this, the question is: how big is the IF? Only time (and experiences like yours) will tell.

If you want a proven 1-way device you have to buy a PLB.

Thanks for the post!
 
We have been demoing one here at work and I was totally sold before I actually took it with me. Now, i'm not so sure...............here's why:

I was headed to the Trinities (Idaho) and hit the button 3 times:

1) hit the okay button at Deer Creek Lodge, mountains on 2 sides, clear to the sky and an open lake - that message never came through.

2) When we got to the parking lot to unload, hit the button again - mountains on 2 sides, pretty big parking lot and open - got that message.

3) Rode in quite a ways and went down a hill to play on a hill. Hit the okay button again there - mountain on one side, trees on the other, open to the sky (few clouds). That message did not go through.

So 1 out of 3 messages came through. The #3 scenario would be where you would be in a 911 situation, and that message never came through.

In all instances, the "on" light and the "okay" light were flashing in sequence, which, in my understanding, means it is talking to the satellite, so I assumed I would get all three messages.

We are doing very detailed tracking of when/where/how/etc., the buttons are pushed and it would be interesting to hear if anyone is doing this also.

:) 2fun


It can take up to twenty minutes, according to the directions, to send a signal out. Did you wait this long or did you recieve the sent message light combo?
 
Its too bad someone couldn't invent a device that had the same capabilities of the SPOT, along with traditional GPS capabilities, and that also acts as a beacon. So now I will have to carry a GPS, Beacon, SPOT, Radio, and usually a dig camera. Be like a walking radio shack, but I guess I would be safe.
 
Its too bad someone couldn't invent a device that had the same capabilities of the SPOT, along with traditional GPS capabilities, and that also acts as a beacon. So now I will have to carry a GPS, Beacon, SPOT, Radio, and usually a dig camera. Be like a walking radio shack, but I guess I would be safe.

No kidding - maybe some of these devices could be integrated into the sleds too, but the drawback there would be if you had to leave the sled and walk.....
 
They have devices similar to what you are talking about but they can cost over $1500

the problem is no one will spend that much the same reason very few riders wear abs packs.
 
It can take up to twenty minutes, according to the directions, to send a signal out.

True. I have had mine since Christmas and the only ones that didn't go through were the ones that I sent without leaving it on for a while. My only gripe is that it won't send the message to my wifes Cricket phone.
 
mine will miss tracking sends on occasion when I'm driving my car and SPOT is on the dash



So far my OK messages are all getting out, I did get a delayed message once....I was loading the sleds up and hit the OK button (was down in a dark deep canyon filled with trees)

by the time the OK message got out we'd driven about 3-4 miles.


I hope SPOT version 2 has the HCX technoligy, my rino 530hcx is freaking amazing.
 
I did some digging around with GEOS to see what all goes on when you hit the 911 button and some insurance questions, I'll repost from my Email:

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Neveryoumind
To: questions@geosalliance.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: SPOT

I am looking for more information on a typical 911 response.

I like to go snowmobiling, if I hit the 911 button will a helicopter come? What if there is no SAR active where I go?

Local 911 responders will take a very long time to get to some of my locations, how can GEOS speed this up?

If I am on a highway and come across a traffic accident where there is no cellular coverage, will GEOS call out a traffic specific distress to my local 911 operations center?





Bob Davis <bobdavis@geosalliance.com> wrote:
Chris
If you hit the 911 button the GEOS Response Center will immediately receive your latitiude and longitude co ordinates from a satellite, together with your position on a digital map. After following certain protocols,such as contacting the secondary contacts registered by yourself, to gather information of possible use to the emergency services, the Response Center staff will contact the Public Service Access Point (PSAP) for that area. PSAP's receive all 911 calls in a particular region and they co ordinate rescues etc. If you have the optional SAR benefit GEOS will fund up to $100,000 of additional resources to carry out a successful sar if they believe that it is necessary and that they are short on resources. This will cover extra helicoptors etc privately sourced, and could replace sar teams on the ground if necessary to preserve your life or health.Geos pays the bill; direct without any need for a 'claim' by yourself
If you come across a road or other accident where there is cell phone coverage then the normal 911 service should be contacted. If no cell coverage and you wish to declare a serious emergency necessary to preserve health or life then by all means use the SPOT device. The emergency services will be contacted with exact location etc as above.
Regards Bob
Bob Davis
Chief Executive Officer

GEOS - Travel Safety Group
Box 144 University Crossing 130 St Leonards Rd
13401-9 Summerlin Rd Northampton
Fort Myers NN4 8DW
FL 33908 USA United Kingdom
Tel: +1 239 415 0958 +44 1604 874764
Fax: +1 413 431 0958 +44 8712 533099
Cell: +1 239 823 6999 www.geosalliance.com

-----Original Message -----
From: Chris Neveryoumind
To: questions@geosalliance.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Neveryoumind
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:35 PM
To: Bob Davis
Subject: Re: SPOT


Do I have permission to re-post this reply in a public forum? I am getting a lot of questions from other snowmobile riders.

I have purchased the optional insurance, I am glad I did as many of the areas I ride are very rural and not covered by an active SAR team.

This raises another question, if I am riding with a group of other snowmobile riders and use the 911 button for someone other than myself and GEOS responds with resources based off my insurance will my insurance be voided and I be held financially responsible for costs incurred? Or will GEOS charge the person that has been hurt?

Thank you for your reply

~Chris





Chris
Sorry for the delay in replying. The optional search and rescue benefit that you purchased covers yourself only. If you press the 911 button to summon assistance of the emergency services on behalf of someone else then SPOT will provide lat. and long coordinates to them and assist as much as possible. The rescue remains the responsibility of the emergency services and additional private resources will only be provided for those persons with the sar benefit. The additional private resources will, in any event, only be provided in full consultation with the commander of the emergency services at the scene. If they request GEOS to provide those extra resources we will do so and pay the bill for covered members. In the event that the person to be rescued does not have the Geos sar benefit he/she will be billed for the services provided. You may reproduce my answers for a non commercial purpose, unedited.
Regards Bob

Bob Davis
Chief Executive Officer

GEOS - Travel Safety Group
Box 144 University Crossing 130 St Leonards Rd

13401-9 Summerlin Rd Northampton
Fort Myers NN4 8DW
FL 33908 USA United Kingdom
Tel: +1 239 415 0958 +44 1604 874764
Fax: +1 413 431 0958 +44 8712 533099
Cell: +1 239 823 6999 www.geosalliance.com



So I guess don't expect a helicopter just because, SAR will decide what you need once they make contact...
I suppose if a helicopter is needed to effect that then that might be a possiblity.

I think if I'm riding in Revelstoke or another area (with a group of riders) with excellent helicopter service I might just program their (Selkirk helicopters etc) numbers into my HELP button. They'll get the message along with GPS coords.
 
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I was headed to the Trinities (Idaho) and hit the button 3 times:

1) hit the okay button at Deer Creek Lodge, mountains on 2 sides, clear to the sky and an open lake - that message never came through.

In all instances, the "on" light and the "okay" light were flashing in sequence, which, in my understanding, means it is talking to the satellite, so I assumed I would get all three messages.

:) 2fun


Did you leave it on till both lights stopped blinking, if both lights are still blinking, it is still talking/looking for Sat, some folks are wanting to push the button and then turn the unit off to save battries, that won't work. I leave mine on all the time, I push the OK button and put it in my pack, I have gotten every message I sent, most come to my own cell phone within minutes, even if it takes hours to get a 911 out, thats still better than NO message!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its not for everybody, but I like to have as many options available as I can.

This thread is just to show that there are options out there.
 
Dam Dave - I left it on the entire time, so since both lights were flashing, I believed the message would be sent. It wasn't. I sent all of the OK messages on Saturday and wasn't home until Monday to check to be sure they were received, that is when I discovered they weren't.

drscotch - maybe I didn't explain that right - I was instructed that the on light will be flashing as soon as you turn on the unit. Then, when you hit one of the other buttons (help, ok or 911) the light will start to flash. It will flash in sync with the ON light and that is how you know it is talking to the satellite. Other than that, no, there is no way to know if your message went through, but based on both lights flashing, I believed I should have had all 3 messages at home.

Phatty - yes, I believe if you walked to the top of a ridge it would absolutely get out!

I am going to ask the agency to turn on the continual tracking this weekend when I am in McCall to see how that works also.

Will keep you posted.

Love all the comments and the fact that this has saved someone - I believe I will still own one soon!

:) 2fun
 
I've only had one OK message undelivered. I was stopped on a highway in the mountains while an accident was being cleaned up. Every message that I have sent while sledding has been sent and received. I use mine primarily to let me wife know that I made to the staging area and if I think I'll be running late because of a breakdown or whatever I'll send an OK so she doesn't panic when I haven't called at the usual time. I think the only way to tell if the message was sent is when the lights stop flashing. As long as they are flashing, it's still trying to communicate with the satellite and will do this for I believe -13 days continuously.
I look at this like a beacon, it's not a guarantee that you're going to be rescued/found but at least I'm adding some insurance.
 
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