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Spending the Night in the Snowy Range

camppowersports

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Myself and 4 other guys recently had an experience that most riders probably think about but few are actually prepared for. We were riding on the back side of the Snowy Range last weekend and ended up spending half the night there. At about 2:30 pm, as a storm was coming in, (lightning and thunder along with snow and wind) we had a sled go down and wouldn't start back up. As we tried to get it going, the visibility went from excellent to zero in a matter of less than 10 minutes. We decided to leave the sled and come back in the morning. I'm very familiar with the area and tried to ride out, but barely see the sled 2 feet behind me. I've been in low visibility conditions there before, but never like this. We found a spot that was drifted enough to dig a cave and start a fire. We cut up several dead trees and had plenty of wood to burn. We stayed there until about 1:00 am, when the moon became visible and although it was still blowing hard, we were able to see well enough to ride out.

I felt that I was very prepared for spending a night out, and had everything we needed to stay warm while we waited for the storm to blow through. Here are some things I learned:

1 Even though there was rock all around us, we apparently built the fire in a hole and it kept sinking down. Dig down and build the fire right on a rock.

2 Cut some branches to lay on the floor as a barrier from the snow. Your backpack is not big enough to lay on and gets very uncomfortable after a couple hours.

3 A space blanket does help hold in heat. A second one to lay under you and on top of the branches would also be beneficial.

4 That cooking stove made out of a beer can and rubbing alcohol that was in a SW forum a while back works great in good weather. It did NOT work. Even in the snow cave where it was shielded from wind, it wouldn't light.

5 Tampons (or socks) soaked in rubbing alcohol work great as a fire starter and will burn for several minutes.

6 Don't assume everyone is as prepared as you. Make sure everyone in the group has an extra dry layer of clothing, socks and gloves. Also, a shovel, saw, space blanket, lighter and/or matches, tampons (or other fire starters). While the pop can can stove didn't work, I'm very glad I had rubbing alcohol. I will also be looking into a more weather-resistant backpacking stove to heat water and some sort of warm food.

Luckily, the temp was in the low 30s -high 20s and even after the fire sank down enough that it wouldn't burn anymore, it remained above freezing in the cave. We were all cold, but no one got bad hypothermia or frostbite. I was an eye opening experience, and I hope that it will encourage others to be better prepared.
 
Been there done that, glad it worked out for you. The sled seat works well to sit on while in the snow cave, and works decent as a crutch when crawling up hill and/or walking out.


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Glad you made it out alright. Having a good survival kit certainly gives peace of mind when night is closing in and you know your spending the night!
 
Glad you guys made it out alright. Great info too and thanks for sharing. I will add a couple things to my pack!
 
Good info , I always get a hard time about all the gear I carry never had to use it yet. Glad to hear you guys were prepared ,could of ended up differently if you weren't.
 
Cottle stove

Just assuming here but your stove must be flawed. Maybe by the way it takes in air or something else. I have never not been able to light my stove in temps much colder than freezing. Just earlier this year I used my stove at -15F in the back country to be sure it would work at that temp. It did light easily. These type of stoves are pretty finicky. I also use Iso Heet for fuel.

Glad to hear you were prepared with other ways to stay warm and get out of there safely.
 
Myself and 4 other guys recently had an experience that most riders probably think about but few are actually prepared for. We were riding on the back side of the Snowy Range last weekend and ended up spending half the night there. At about 2:30 pm, as a storm was coming in, (lightning and thunder along with snow and wind) we had a sled go down and wouldn't start back up. As we tried to get it going, the visibility went from excellent to zero in a matter of less than 10 minutes. We decided to leave the sled and come back in the morning. I'm very familiar with the area and tried to ride out, but barely see the sled 2 feet behind me. I've been in low visibility conditions there before, but never like this. We found a spot that was drifted enough to dig a cave and start a fire. We cut up several dead trees and had plenty of wood to burn. We stayed there until about 1:00 am, when the moon became visible and although it was still blowing hard, we were able to see well enough to ride out.

I felt that I was very prepared for spending a night out, and had everything we needed to stay warm while we waited for the storm to blow through. Here are some things I learned:

1 Even though there was rock all around us, we apparently built the fire in a hole and it kept sinking down. Dig down and build the fire right on a rock.

2 Cut some branches to lay on the floor as a barrier from the snow. Your backpack is not big enough to lay on and gets very uncomfortable after a couple hours.

3 A space blanket does help hold in heat. A second one to lay under you and on top of the branches would also be beneficial.

4 That cooking stove made out of a beer can and rubbing alcohol that was in a SW forum a while back works great in good weather. It did NOT work. Even in the snow cave where it was shielded from wind, it wouldn't light.

5 Tampons (or socks) soaked in rubbing alcohol work great as a fire starter and will burn for several minutes.

6 Don't assume everyone is as prepared as you. Make sure everyone in the group has an extra dry layer of clothing, socks and gloves. Also, a shovel, saw, space blanket, lighter and/or matches, tampons (or other fire starters). While the pop can can stove didn't work, I'm very glad I had rubbing alcohol. I will also be looking into a more weather-resistant backpacking stove to heat water and some sort of warm food.

Luckily, the temp was in the low 30s -high 20s and even after the fire sank down enough that it wouldn't burn anymore, it remained above freezing in the cave. We were all cold, but no one got bad hypothermia or frostbite. I was an eye opening experience, and I hope that it will encourage others to be better prepared.


Good read. Glad you made it out ok!

A trick for doing the fires on the snow. Bring with you about 4 sq ft of HD Aluminum Foil. Lay a few sticks on the snow and then Fold the foil up into a 1 sq ft area with a reflector on the back side. Then build your fire on that. This will keep it from sinking.

Don't just use sticks to lay out, cut pine burrows and lay on those! that combined with one of those space bivvys are awesome! The sleeping bag divvy from SOL are great! I use them even in the summer as my primary backpacking sleeping bag. Space blankets are amazing! I carry 4-5 of them! put them on the wall of you cave/hole to reflect heat back onto you.

Alcohol based stoves have a hard time in the super cold, Too cold for it to evaporate. You can counteract this by putting a chemical hand warmer under neither it. Same problem with the propane backpacking stoves. I bring a lot of those small wet fire tablets and make sure to have a good source of wood before I even start my fire. Some Zip lighters and a fire rod, also bring a set of the chemical hand warmers. Having warm hands while you're building your fire can make the all the differance difference. I don't like using liquid based fire systems as its too easy to spill it out and then your SOL.

I also, like you don't plan on anyone else being prepared! don't for get you to have a few spare batteries and a head lamp! and cutting tools!
 
lint

I have a handful of dryer lint in a zip lock bag with a flint in a 4" SS sauce pan in my pack. You would be surprised how easy and long dryer lint burns.
 
Snowies

We rode the Snowies on the 22nd and the weather was terrible for us too. We got back to the trailer around 4 pm. and the Iowa group in front of us was not back yet and most everybody else had already left, kind of made me wonder.

If you ride in those conditions make sure you have a Garmin and walkie talkies.

Glad you made it out safe!
 
Glad you guys made it out ok. Anyone have a list of "must have items" for your pack or a link to another forum that does? Seems like there has been no shortage of people spending the night out lately and with how much snow and wind there has been everywhere I can see why.
 
Glad it all worked out, and love the fact you are sharing your experience to help others.

One thing that often over looked when we get a call to search is descriptions of the riders.

Many time the only thing we have to go on is my husband/brother/friend has not checked in. When we ask what and where the are riding, we get a snowmobile in the Snowy Range.

Understand that that it is a huge area and often hard to tell someone where your going. But just as important, let someone know a detailed description of what your riding, color, make model and clothing colors and so on. It makes it that much easier on all involved when searching for over due riders.

Thanks for sharing!
 
http://www.jetboil.com/Products/Zip-Cooking-System/

Good cooking option. Haven't used one in the cold while riding yet, but have used one at elevation while elk hunting. They're awesome. Boils water in couple minutes. Use for dehydrated meals, or things like Lipton soup, ramen etc.. Or even melt snow with bouillon cubes/powder. Everything packs up into the cup itself. They make them with built in igniter, but plan on having a way to light it otherwise.

Pricey, but a very cool item to have, for anything outdoors!
 
We rode the Snowies on the 22nd and the weather was terrible for us too. We got back to the trailer around 4 pm. and the Iowa group in front of us was not back yet and most everybody else had already left, kind of made me wonder.

If you ride in those conditions make sure you have a Garmin and walkie talkies.

Glad you made it out safe!


This was prob my group Mark! Was one of my worst trips back across the flats I've ever encountered, heck, thur-sat all were! Clutch engage, move 5 feet, stop. Couldn't tell which way was up or down, or if we were stopped or moving. Never done so much side hilling on a flat trail, all while parked. :). Then, after that, thought we'd be camping in the parking lot!
 
Cotton balls soaked in vaseline stored in a film case works as a good fire starter.

Mtnbike / dirtbike tire tubes chopped into 4" pieces also work well as fire starter- they don't absorb water and a hard to put out.

2 knives
3 methods to light fire.

And practice.
 
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