Silber/Bullydog
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you cannot adjust fueling. everything is automatically adjusted just like a stock sled. the only thing that can be adjusted is boost.
This is the third Silber kit I have had. They all ran very well. With the Bullydog tuner there are no adjustments to make. The stock ECM is doing all the work. If everything is working like it is supposed to, it is truly a pull the rope and go. Not just saying this because I am a dealer for them, but two companies are using these tuners as far as I know, and they are both having fantastic results. You still need to know what you are doing as far as fuel and clutching. The tuning is one thing you don't need to worry about.
Come on. Geeze
The customer him self can not change the fueling but if it is not correct for any reason Justin/Silber can do changes and email you a file to download on the BD..
Let us stay in the real world....the stock ecu is set to control the turbo and boost change on your turbo on a stock engine or maybe stated even better stock sled. Yes it does work. This system with new exshaust can makes even more boost at same setting as last yrs. I had to lengthen the waste gate rod a turn and a half to bring mine back under 10# boost (fact).
If you did this set up you would have to retune the ecu for parts that have been changed, when Silber sells a kit, they have built a tune specific for their set up that they are using, so if you change to a different set up the sled will need a new tune because the new added parts are going to introduce different factors to the motor weather it be more air so fuel will need to be added ect.
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Spaarky
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It's a legitimate question. I am just trying to figure out the capabilities. What it will sense and compensate for and not. Sorry if it seems like a dumb and unreasonable question.
If a person wants to do those type of things, and you can't adjust , then how do I go about it. I am not one to leave things alone, and don't want to go to complete stand alone. I am looking to go to a new set up and just investigating.
It may not be real world for most, but it is from me. My current sled, I run anywhere from 8-18lbs. Shoot we have had it well up over 20.
Again, sorry I had no intention off trying start a sheet storm, just wanted some info.
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Spaarky
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Thank you.
With the additional mods added to sled, it will require new tuning. But if you adjust boost, it can compensate for that. Unfortunately at this time, bullydog is locked for the end user so you can't build the map yourself. Bullydog dealers have the privileges to build tunes for it. I am not sure what dealers are charging for custom mapping, but it maybe something to ask them.
I took your ? wrong----I thought you were being smart----sorry
Outlaw... I did what you are talking about, I was told by Justin the Bullydog kit would not be able to handle the job, I would have to go back to stock to run the Bullydog, or do the best I could with a Dobeck box, that he did map for me with some changes. In the end I went with a Vipec. I got a hold of Cody Phillips at Cody Phillips Racing, he wrote me a base map, I then drove from WA to his place in UT for the install. After some sensor installs and reworking of the wiring harness, the sled was 95% on the stand. Headed for the hills, and in about 6-7 pulls on a small hill it was dialed. The Vipec is amazing, I was skeptical at first, but the quality and performance is second to none in my opinion, and Cody himself is top notch, and definitely knows his tuning and the Vipec product. I will be a customer for life. I would at least check thus option out, I think you'll see that this is the future of turbo applications. This is a game changer, the tune ability, and amount of data that can be set and monitored are amazing. Good luck-. Message me if you'd like more of my personal experience with this
Pray for SNOW!
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Boyko
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One thing about swapping turbos is it don't take much to make a difference on how the air flows through the motor. A part of it is exhaust pressure. The kit is set up to work with the components provided. The efi systems on 2-smokers will not sense air flow through the motor so it can not make adjustments for what it does not see.
Justin is wrong about the bullydog kit. The bullydog tuner can remap the stock ecu to do whatever you want it to do. It would just take a tuner some time to make a tune for that sled if you went with those mods.
Justin wasn't wrong. His standard Bullydog kit will not work for him. Justin can obviously make a map for anything he chooses but most of the time it just isn't worth the time.
I want it to be very clear here that Justin did not leave me high and dry, or anything like that, I made the changes I did because I wanted too, and my original dealer said it was no big deal to re-map. He wasn't entirely correct. I talked to Justin a dozen times over the summer. He had told me in the spring that the Bullly dog would not handle the fueling that I would need, as it was tuned for a stock sled. Yes he could've wrote a map, at a considerable use of his time, when he was trying to get kits out for stock sleds, which is what he originally designed the Bullydog for. He did tell me to send in my Dobeck box from 13', and he would send me back a new box with a closer map for the mods I had, at no cost to me. I would then need to fine tune it in myself. He also told me that if I couldn't get it tuned, to call him and he would come out to Washington and help me get it right. He was doing this because of original turbo dealer telling me I could do the mods I did and everything would be fine. Justin was just doing the best he could to take care of me for the situation I was in. He went above and beyond for me. I eventually decided that the Vipec would be the best route for me to go, to have an internally modded engine with the pull n go, no button pushing attributes that others were having with the Bullydog kit. Justin has answered the phone or shortly returned my calls all year. He was, and has always been upfront and honest about what was possible, what he could actually do, and what would be the best direction realistically for me to go. Top notch customer service. I don't want there to be any chance that by my earlier post, that anyone may think that Justin said the Bullydog can't do it, the Silber can't do it, sorry, your on your own. He was upfront when I wanted to buy the upgrade, and after telling him what else I had done, he said he wouldn't sell me the upgrade cause I would not be happy. The sled would not perform the way it should. He could've also said put it back to stock, you don't have any other options. He did what he could to accommodate my situation. It was my choice to go a different route, after looking into what I would need for the mods I had done, and the mods I had planned. I am very happy with the Vipec and Cody Phillips, another top notch customer service guy. Cody also really knows the Vipec, and I am safe in saying, IMO, better than anyone I've talked to, or heard about, when it comes to custom mapping and being able to produce a spot on map, then fine tune it to near perfection. I was out today running 15lbs boost on the 13' Silber kit without a hiccup. I did have one small DET episode when I took boost to 20lbs, without adding weight, and no I'm not going to try and prove this to any of you that say those boost levels can't be reached with the Silber. But, I have not posted on here what all the rest of my setup is?? That's half the fun boys, can't give out all the secrets, can you say sleeper sled!! Haha. Hope all have a safe and wonderful Holiday season...pray for snow,,, get out and RIDE!!!
PS. As Boston Racing stated, Justin has ability to write custom maps, but to write a map for one sled, from 2000 miles away, and get it just right, without being able to have sled right there would probably be very time consuming for both of us, and expensive. It's one thing to put the time, effort, and expense into writing a map for a sled meeting a certain criteria(ex. Stock). Then spread that cost over 100 kits sold, vs writing a map for just one sled. Same time, effort, and cost go into both. I was able to drive to meet Cody Phillips, where he had hands on ability with my sled, and tuning on the snow. He could make changes after each run to get it perfect, in a matter of hours, now it's set. And the Vipec handles the rest!!!!
Pray for SNOW!
PS. As Boston Racing stated, Justin has ability to write custom maps, but to write a map for one sled, from 2000 miles away, and get it just right, without being able to have sled right there would probably be very time consuming for both of us, and expensive. It's one thing to put the time, effort, and expense into writing a map for a sled meeting a certain criteria(ex. Stock). Then spread that cost over 100 kits sold, vs writing a map for just one sled. Same time, effort, and cost go into both. I was able to drive to meet Cody Phillips, where he had hands on ability with my sled, and tuning on the snow. He could make changes after each run to get it perfect, in a matter of hours, now it's set. And the Vipec handles the rest!!!!
Pray for SNOW!
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Pawpaw,
I agree 100 percent with you on the vipec. I am a believer, it's
The only way to go if you the rider/end user want to have any control over how the sled is tuned. I understand with the bully dog the dealer/installer has the ability to change fuel as needed but they can only do that according to what info is giving to them by the rider. The adjuster makes the change emails you back a map and you have to hope it was right. And if not you start the process over the next time you go out. With the vipec, me, the end user can make those changes on the hill or on my couch. It is also pretty user friendly software the first time I saw the software was last Feb. And while I far from being a Cody Phillips or Bryce Kendrick, I have been building my own maps from early last spring. I have built me a pretty decent map for my twin pipes that I am pretty proud of. The good thing about the Vipec is you don't have to guess where you are rich or lean. The vipec has an internal data logger that logs your rpm, throttle position, your air fuel ratio, voltage, engine temp, air intake temp, egts, duty cycle of enjectors. So you can take that info and see where you need to add fuel exactly in your map or if your injectors are not big enough for your application or why your sled is running good at 5000' but at 10,000' you are way rich. I really don't think there is a mad science to tuning. You just need to have a small understanding of how the engine works, ( 2 stroke (air-fuel-spark)) and then how to clutch and get that power to the ground and you are off and running. It hard for me to believe that there is the perfect setup, a true pull and go setup, out there that fits every riding style and riding area. There are two many variables. But with the Vipec you can adjust for Every aspect of your sled. And your riding style. Not just fuel and timing , but also elevation and how that affects fuel and timing. How your air intake temp can affect tuning. Knock sensors, when your exhausting valves open, the amount of time your injectors are open. And on and on. I am running a vipec on a N/A sled and probably only use half of the capabilities of the vipec. I know Cody and Bryce are doing some pretty cool things with launch control on there turbo setups were they have all but eliminated all lag.
Sorry for the story
Hope it helps it some way
I agree 100 percent with you on the vipec. I am a believer, it's
The only way to go if you the rider/end user want to have any control over how the sled is tuned. I understand with the bully dog the dealer/installer has the ability to change fuel as needed but they can only do that according to what info is giving to them by the rider. The adjuster makes the change emails you back a map and you have to hope it was right. And if not you start the process over the next time you go out. With the vipec, me, the end user can make those changes on the hill or on my couch. It is also pretty user friendly software the first time I saw the software was last Feb. And while I far from being a Cody Phillips or Bryce Kendrick, I have been building my own maps from early last spring. I have built me a pretty decent map for my twin pipes that I am pretty proud of. The good thing about the Vipec is you don't have to guess where you are rich or lean. The vipec has an internal data logger that logs your rpm, throttle position, your air fuel ratio, voltage, engine temp, air intake temp, egts, duty cycle of enjectors. So you can take that info and see where you need to add fuel exactly in your map or if your injectors are not big enough for your application or why your sled is running good at 5000' but at 10,000' you are way rich. I really don't think there is a mad science to tuning. You just need to have a small understanding of how the engine works, ( 2 stroke (air-fuel-spark)) and then how to clutch and get that power to the ground and you are off and running. It hard for me to believe that there is the perfect setup, a true pull and go setup, out there that fits every riding style and riding area. There are two many variables. But with the Vipec you can adjust for Every aspect of your sled. And your riding style. Not just fuel and timing , but also elevation and how that affects fuel and timing. How your air intake temp can affect tuning. Knock sensors, when your exhausting valves open, the amount of time your injectors are open. And on and on. I am running a vipec on a N/A sled and probably only use half of the capabilities of the vipec. I know Cody and Bryce are doing some pretty cool things with launch control on there turbo setups were they have all but eliminated all lag.
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