should be pull out of chicago? good read

[ragincajun]

got this e mail. it has alot of good points....here is what we are in for folks.
Should we pull out of Chicago?


What do you think? Should we pull out?

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?

Body count:
In the last six months:

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 killed in Iraq.


Chicago.... Who Runs it:


Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin
Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,
Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley).....
Leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.


Of course, they're all blaming each other! Can't blame
Republicans; there aren't any! State pension fund $44
Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if
you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . And he's
gonna 'fix'
Washington politics for us? Yea, Right !!!

 

[yardfarmer]

 

[rynokron]

Throw in the Governer's mess to go with it...

 

[wickman]

I emailed this to my brother-in-law to be. He is the lone Republican in the group. I told him to bring it out the next time he is at my moms for dinner.

 

[milehighassassin]

Nice try and interesting point, but that is number of U.S. Soldier deaths in Iraq correct?

If you did total, it would probably be 5000% higher.

 

[ragincajun]

so, that is a war....in chicago its just tons of idiots who are living off the government and living in gov't housing that are killing each other if you want we can throw out that number and start lookin at all the others. that is just a small taste of what we are in for.....i saw we are screwed!

 

[swampwater]

That was a time comparison, I would bet if you compared the time frame from the start of the war Chicago would still be higher.Swampy:

Nice try and interesting point, but that is number of U.S. Soldier deaths in Iraq correct?

If you did total, it would probably be 5000% higher.

 

[buck50]

Nice try and interesting point, but that is number of U.S. Soldier deaths in Iraq correct?

If you did total, it would probably be 5000% higher.

for a guy who always spouts about facts and proof, and show us the link, you sure are throwing a lot of numbers around without backing them up lately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[skidontlover]

for a guy who always spouts about facts and proof, and show us the link, you sure are throwing a lot of numbers around without backing them up lately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get em bucky!

 

[Wade]

Nice try and interesting point, but that is number of U.S. Soldier deaths in Iraq correct?

If you did total, it would probably be 5000% higher.

Number of AMERICANS killed.

 

[milehighassassin]

for a guy who always spouts about facts and proof, and show us the link, you sure are throwing a lot of numbers around without backing them up lately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right... Where on this thread is there ANY proof that the original statement was a fact?


But since you asked…

Documented civilian deaths from violence

90,291 – 98,560

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

According to the WHO math, an average of 123 people died each day in Iraq during the first three years of the war.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1702230,00.html

U.S.-LED COALITION FORCES:

United States 4,223

Britain 178

Other nations 139

IRAQIS:

Military Between 4,900 and 6,375#

Civilians Between 90,253 and 98,521*

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L8345592.htm

Civilian deaths are hard to measure; these numbers represent the low end of the scale. John Hopkins University estimated around 600,000 deaths from the Iraq war.


The Iraq Body Count site actually lists individual names of those that died and the incident that killed them.

Yes I know, this is war and during war innocent people die, but that is not the point. The point is that civilian deaths are still deaths and they should be counted.
Murder in ALL of Illinois in 2003 was 896 (murders) (2003 did not have individual statistics for Chicago)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/xl/03tbl05.xls

Chicago 2004: 448 total murders and non-negligent manslaughter.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/CIUS2004.pdf (p.148)

All of Illinois for 2005: 766 Murders (Individual City data not available in 2005 for Illinois)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html

Chicago 2005 Murder: 448 Murders
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_il.html

Chicago 2006 Murder: 468 Murders
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_08_il.html

Chicago 2007 Murder: 443 Murders
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_08_il.html

 

[milehighassassin]

Number of AMERICANS killed.

I was counting total deaths from the war. Do the other lives (brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, sons, daughters) not matter because they are not American? A life was still lost.

If you really want to compare Chicago to Iraq lets set some facts straight:

Murder rates in U.S. cities (by rank):
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934323.html.

1: Compton, CA
11: St. Louis, MO
13: Washington, D.C.
15: San Bernadino, CA
16: Kansas City, MO
32: Milwaukee, WI
35: Hartford, CT
45: Dallas, TX
46: Houston, TX
48: Chicago, Ill.
49: Phoenix, AZ

So, not only are there 47 cities in the U.S. that are more dangerous than Chicago, there is a city in Arizona (John McCain's home state) that is just about as dangerous.

Even more interesting are the murder rates in U.S. States:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-1996-2007

8: ARIZONA
15: ALASKA
18: CALIFORNIA
19: TEXAS
20: ILLINOIS
27: DELAWARE,

Residents of the home states of John McCain, Sarah Palin, and George Bush are more likely to be murdered than residents of Illinois.

That site also shows that states with no death penalty have MUCH lower murder rates than those with death penalty. Unfortunately all the major candidates (other than Green and Independents) are pro-death penalty: http://deathpenalty.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=1741


The number of soldiers currently in Iraq is about 200,000.

The population of Chicago is 2,836,658

So, the 292 murdered in Chicago indicates that for the six month period, 1 out of every 10,000 people in the city was murdered. In Iraq, the rate was TEN TIMES that high – one out of every 1000 U.S. soldiers was killed. There is really no comparison. If there were as many Americans in Iraq as Chicago residents, then over 3000 of them would have been killed in the same period at the current rate. It’s not at all fair to say that more people were killed in Chicago than killed in Iraq. You could also truthfully say that while only 221 soldiers were killed in Iraq this year, 18,000 people were murdered in the U.S, and only about 30 were murdered in Compton!


A tangential side effect of this misinformation is that it may make people think that our soldiers in Iraq are as safe as they would be walking the streets of Chicago. THIS IS NOT CORRECT, and is actually somewhat disrespecful to our troops. We should not underplay the danger that the soldiers are in every day. In fact, Iraq is the single most dangerous place in the world. In the last six months, 110 out of every 100,000 soldiers in Iraq was killed. In Compton, the city with the highest murder rate in the country, only 30 out of every 100,000 people are murdered in six months. In Columbia, the country with the highest murder rate in the would, only 32 out of every 100,000 people are killed in six months. Johannesburg, South Africa is considered to be the city with the highest murder rate in the world. In Johannesburg, 65 out of 100,000 people are killed every six months. Soldiers in Iraq are almost twice as likely to be killed as residents of Johannesburg.

Bolded the key items!!!

 

[ArcticBoy]

Sounds like a lovely place....why don't you move there??