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I don't think those things really work....:face-icon-small-win

It's all marketing...:ranger:


It's cool to see it actually in use, nice of her to give us a demo.
 
I don't know what your guys think but It looks like that avi slide is about 1 foot deep so she wasn't going under, more like going for a bum slide..
 
Niko,
She was getting pulled under and the bag lifted her up. Snowboard is about the worst thing to be on in an avalanche.

Mike Duffy
Avalanche1.com
 
I don't know what your guys think but It looks like that avi slide is about 1 foot deep so she wasn't going under, more like going for a bum slide..

it certainly could have buried her.

for those that think it was staged, BCA is now offering to pay for her to take an avy II course. i don't think any business would want their name attached to that competition after seeing how they operate.
 
for those that think it was staged,

we were joking, plain & simple.

I know the people who were involved in this day, the trail head is just a few min from my work, and another buddy of mine went to the hospital from a different accident.

This was BY NO MEANS staged... BCA isn't in the biz of possibly killing someone to prove a point. It was an unofficial freeride comp, that's why they had the camera on her.

Lots of poor decisions that day, but none of them had anything to do with BCA, sorry to have muddied that a bit harassing Paul.
 
we were joking, plain & simple.

I know the people who were involved in this day, the trail head is just a few min from my work, and another buddy of mine went to the hospital from a different accident.

This was BY NO MEANS staged... BCA isn't in the biz of possibly killing someone to prove a point. It was an unofficial freeride comp, that's why they had the camera on her.

Lots of poor decisions that day, but none of them had anything to do with BCA, sorry to have muddied that a bit harassing Paul.

i agree with all that you just said. i just meant to say that BCA is doing a good job of managing the situation. offering to send her to an avy course is a stand up thing for bruce to do. they obviously don't want to condone that situation or using an air bag as a way to ride unstable slopes w/o consequences.

fwiw, there are folks out there who thought this was staged. i know enough about event to know it was genuine but still have to scratch my head who would allow a comp to go off under those conditions...WTF?
 
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I don't know what your guys think but It looks like that avi slide is about 1 foot deep so she wasn't going under, more like going for a bum slide..

I was thinking the same thing at first, but at the bottom where the slide stops is where the snow starts to pile up. What started up as maybe a foot could end up being 5' or more.
 
Below is an official Statement from BCA regarding the media coverage of the airbag:
Statement from BCA about “viral” airbag video
The recent avalanche near Montezuma (Colo.) has fueled a media sensation. The video of Meesh Hytner–captured by Tyler Malay and posted on our website–went viral. It has been viewed nearly 700,000 times on Youtube, been featured on CNN, Fox News, multiple local and international outlets, and has been seen in Japan, Taiwan and Germany, to name a few. It’s crazy! We just returned from ISPO (our major tradeshow in Munich, Germany) and walked into a media frenzy.

We normally do not feel compelled to make a statement where accidents and the use of our equipment is involved. But given the viral nature fueled by this stunning and vivid footage, we want to take the opportunity to make our position clear and perhaps help others better frame in their own minds the events that happened that day.

Risk and reward are everything in the backcountry. At BCA, we are focused on improving both enjoyment and safety in the backcountry by providing options for how people manage these two almighty human factors.

Some of our new customers continue their current approach to the backcountry while using our equipment to increase their margin of safety, holding reward constant while lowering risk. Others will use this same equipment to mitigate risk while accessing bigger lines in more hazardous conditions, hence increasing reward while keeping risk constant. Both of these scenarios exemplify very personal and complex choices made by our customers. And while we believe education is paramount for people to make informed decisions, we at BCA are not in the business of judging one person’s approach as better than the other–nor are we in the business of deciding what levels of risk are acceptable for others.

The bottom line is that education is the foundation for all of this. As we make these decisions on risk vs. reward, the more we know about the mountains and ourselves, the better we can walk this line. BCA’s belief in this is demonstrated by our strong commitment to education; we invest as much into this as we do in advertising. Taking avi courses, working with local guides, and skiing with experienced friends are just a few of the great ways to safely learn to access the backcountry–and we generally have taken this approach ourselves instead of using our safety equipment to justify additional risks. While we hope this sets a good example, we decline to judge others that take the more aggressive approach.

While we write this in the wake of a widely publicized avalanche, it’s the countless unreported stories of great times in spectacular locations skiing, riding or sledding with friends that’s the true stoke that is fueling our passion and industry. These are the moments that we truly value—but which will unfortunately never go “viral.”

Bruce McGowan, President

Bruce Edgerly, Vice President

Brian Ciciora, Director of Product Development
http://www.backcountryaccess.com/2012/02/10/statement-from-bca-about-viral-airbag-video/
 
Very well Said by Bruce... We all have VERY different levels of acceptable risk. It's funny that even someone like myself, who has a rather high version of what risk is acceptable... looks at the guy who takes a step beyond what I do & says "what a dipsh**... nobody with a brain should have been there that day!!"

It's like speeding.... you no doubt pass some people on the road, but often when someone passes you... you think what a DIP*** that guy must be.

We all idolize guys that take MONSTER risk (Pastrana, Lavalle...) but when someone gets caught I guess it's natural that we look at it & say "wouldn't have been me"


Sorry, mostly thinking out loud here about how even I look at a lot of these situations.:noidea:
 
We all idolize guys that take MONSTER risk (Pastrana, Lavalle...) but when someone gets caught I guess it's natural that we look at it & say "wouldn't have been me"

people with a high level of skill, like pastrana, are always interesting to watch. if i tried the same trick after him, you'd be watching for a different reason. seeing the outcome of my trick may change peoples view of just how much risk is involved in their decision to attempt that trick.

with avalanches, people can be brazen because they've had too many good experiences on slopes that were not "good to go", as so many people call it. with no resulting slide, this type of non feedback shapes your future riding decisions such as the balance of risk vs reward. more education is a good thing but we often find people that are moderately well educated in the avy arts getting slid themselves. this is likely due to over analyzing stability and downplaying the red flags. the pattern i've noticed is that a combination of education and experience tends to lower your tolerance for risk. the more bad things you've seen happen help to shape your perception and better align it with the reality around you.



In general, this is the typical risk vs reward thought process seen in the backcountry:

what's the likely hood that this slope will slide?

what are the consequences if it does (terrain traps, trees, rocks, etc)?

how much fun do i stand to gain if it does not slide or if i can ride away from it w/o damage?
 
the pattern i've noticed is that a combination of education and experience tends to lower your tolerance for risk. the more bad things you've seen happen help to shape your perception and better align it with the reality around you.

Actually, the current trend is the other direction from what snowww1 has said. There are more & more prepared, seasoned, educated riders being caught than before.

Personally I think that's due to society's general shift toward risky activities. (by society I guess I mean action sports types) As the upper echelon steps further & further up the average "good" rider does the same & accepts a higher level of risk. Obviously equipment is a big factor as well here...
 
Actually, the current trend is the other direction from what snowww1 has said. There are more & more prepared, seasoned, educated riders being caught than before.

Personally I think that's due to society's general shift toward risky activities. (by society I guess I mean action sports types) As the upper echelon steps further & further up the average "good" rider does the same & accepts a higher level of risk. Obviously equipment is a big factor as well here...

it is true that the educated are usually the ones placing themselves in harms way more frequently. i do not dispute that.

i'm not sure what you mean by "seasoned"? are those people that have seen many years of large avalanche cycles and pulled bodies out of the snowpack? i have rarely seen those people involved with avalanches. around here, when someone is caught it is usually a 2-5 season "expert" with an avy II under their belt.

the social trend is for risky behavior among newer tourers/riders (sub 10 years experience). the amount of people recreating on slide paths has increased dramatically over the past 15 years. newer equipment and a change in the style of riding has commonly put them places that their experience has yet to catch up with.

"EXPERIENCE" is something you get just after you needed it. :brick:
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again. There was already another slide on the lower right side of the video, what that girl did was nothing short of reckless and stupid. An avy class is the best thing that she needs. Kudos to BCA.
 
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