Rush on Palin's split for a 3rd party?
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Yeah, I heard him say that today, that she didn't mention Republican once. He said that he thinks a third party would split the votes and it never works, that we need to rebuild the GOP to what it should be. I vaguely remember that he said something about they need to stop whining about trivial stuff and make it about saving the economy and saving us from what's happening now and that is the way they'll get votes.
I think I agree. I've considered becoming an Independent just in protest to the GOP, but I think in the long run Rush is right.
I think I agree. I've considered becoming an Independent just in protest to the GOP, but I think in the long run Rush is right.
good for her. There are already a lot more than three parties though. Just the democrats and republicans get all the funding, because they are controlled by the same corporations. The other parties do not have nearly enough money to campaingn and advertise and compete with the dems and republicans. How much did Obama and Mcain spend on their campains, ungodly amounts. The same problem is found even in the local campains too.
I hope she doesn't try a third party, it will never work it will just secure Obama a third term. I fought the issue for years, in 68 and 72 we worked for the Wallace campaign, switching to to John Schmidtz when Wallace was taken out. I worked for Bo Gritz in 92 and of course had no success but I was refusing to settle for socialist candidate a or b in the major parties, it's nice to protest but the stakes are to high at this time. We need to work hard to get the proper candidates for 2010 House races and 2012 general and presidential races. I am going to check with Sarapac and see if I can get some understanding of her future and refuse to donate further if she is going to run as a third party candidate. Swampy
I hope she doesn't try a third party, it will never work it will just secure Obama a third term. I fought the issue for years, in 68 and 72 we worked for the Wallace campaign, switching to to John Schmidtz when Wallace was taken out. I worked for Bo Gritz in 92 and of course had no success but I was refusing to settle for socialist candidate a or b in the major parties, it's nice to protest but the stakes are to high at this time. We need to work hard to get the proper candidates for 2010 House races and 2012 general and presidential races. I am going to check with Sarapac and see if I can get some understanding of her future and refuse to donate further if she is going to run as a third party candidate. Swampy
I agree a third party probably wont work right now, unless you had funding equal to the other two parties. Didnt Ross Perot try it, ha. He had mega money and he couldnt do it.
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Ross Perot was kind of a flake though, he managed to make a big dent in the polls until he started playing hokey poky with his candidacy.
It's worked in the past. Look at Ventura and the MN Governor's office. (I know freak show example, but it happened) It just needs to be done well and with proper timing. Actually I think now might be the best time in recent history to try it. The people don't trust either party by and large, they're pizzed @ the Republicans because of Bush and after Obama's first term I'm betting money the Democrats will be even farther down the totem pole of public opinion.
In general people have been treating the elections like a popularity contest, not based on substance, but more on a feeling of being part of something big. Another big issue is the media and who they back or support gets the most free exposure and in a positive light. Sara was repeatedly bashed because of her non conformity to the political elite swagger. There will always be a large group of loyalists to each party but in tough economic times people pay a lot more attention to the issues and investigate the candidates more thoroughly.
Either way the most truly conservative candidate will be the one to get my vote, and the way things are going I'm thinking it might very well be a "third party" candidate. Unless the Republicans rally and get back to their base values of conservatism they really have no shot at taking back congress or the white house unless the people get completely enraged by what the democrats do with it. I for one am already enraged by the things going on there and am becoming more irritated by the Republicans lack of a spine to stand up to them and to act like the conservatives they claim to be.
The other big thing that conservative candidates need to do is to better explain the reasoning and cause effect basis of conservative ideals, constitutionality and how it's being warped, free market capitalism, etc. The Liberals have a corner on the "feelings" market and have it mastered, Conservatives need to stop trying to beat them at their game and get back to what works for them and make the message clear and informative.
It's worked in the past. Look at Ventura and the MN Governor's office. (I know freak show example, but it happened) It just needs to be done well and with proper timing. Actually I think now might be the best time in recent history to try it. The people don't trust either party by and large, they're pizzed @ the Republicans because of Bush and after Obama's first term I'm betting money the Democrats will be even farther down the totem pole of public opinion.
In general people have been treating the elections like a popularity contest, not based on substance, but more on a feeling of being part of something big. Another big issue is the media and who they back or support gets the most free exposure and in a positive light. Sara was repeatedly bashed because of her non conformity to the political elite swagger. There will always be a large group of loyalists to each party but in tough economic times people pay a lot more attention to the issues and investigate the candidates more thoroughly.
Either way the most truly conservative candidate will be the one to get my vote, and the way things are going I'm thinking it might very well be a "third party" candidate. Unless the Republicans rally and get back to their base values of conservatism they really have no shot at taking back congress or the white house unless the people get completely enraged by what the democrats do with it. I for one am already enraged by the things going on there and am becoming more irritated by the Republicans lack of a spine to stand up to them and to act like the conservatives they claim to be.
The other big thing that conservative candidates need to do is to better explain the reasoning and cause effect basis of conservative ideals, constitutionality and how it's being warped, free market capitalism, etc. The Liberals have a corner on the "feelings" market and have it mastered, Conservatives need to stop trying to beat them at their game and get back to what works for them and make the message clear and informative.
With the turd we now have in office this will be a perfect time for a 3rd party imo. The Dem's support is falling & the GOP is lost in the land of the clueless.
Both parties suck & have sucked for years, I am so ready for a total house cleaning w/term limits.
Both parties suck & have sucked for years, I am so ready for a total house cleaning w/term limits.
The DFL and GOP have been playing between the 40 yard lines for too long now, to use a football analogy. It is time someone smashes through and takes the ball to the house.
The Problem is that I am not sure that Palin can do it alone. she would need the help for another governor level or better candidate that would also split from the GOP. That may just set off a spark that would be needed to get things going.
The Problem is that I am not sure that Palin can do it alone. she would need the help for another governor level or better candidate that would also split from the GOP. That may just set off a spark that would be needed to get things going.
This is from Ron Pauls site
Excellent article
Conclusion: Sarah Palin and Joe Scarborough are part of a much larger and very clever rebranding process that seems to be grass roots but in our estimation is being run by Republican power brokers. There are probably no accidents in politics as Franklin Delano Roosevelt famously said, and the current expansion of the "conservative" trend is no accident either. , It is not aimed at the Democrats, or even Barack Obama so much as it is aimed at controlling what such power brokers believe is truly dangerous Libertarian Republicans and Ron Paul
New polling
Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –7 (see trends).
Thirty-two percent (32%) now say the country is heading in the right direction That’s down eight points from the 2009 peak and the lowest since February
Excellent article
Conclusion: Sarah Palin and Joe Scarborough are part of a much larger and very clever rebranding process that seems to be grass roots but in our estimation is being run by Republican power brokers. There are probably no accidents in politics as Franklin Delano Roosevelt famously said, and the current expansion of the "conservative" trend is no accident either. , It is not aimed at the Democrats, or even Barack Obama so much as it is aimed at controlling what such power brokers believe is truly dangerous Libertarian Republicans and Ron Paul
New polling
Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –7 (see trends).
Thirty-two percent (32%) now say the country is heading in the right direction That’s down eight points from the 2009 peak and the lowest since February
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If we see Sarah out campaigning for senators and congressmen for 2010, along with another Governor as mentioned (which I believe would be a good move) this could pave the way for some congressional change and build her a base to run on in 2012. It should also indicate some of her intentions.
Maybe I should send her the suggestion
This is a tough one but I think the time is right. I know the risk of splitting the Republican party but I think the Dem's would also take a huge hit from it's current base to the Libertarian party.
I'm sick of both parties right now because they really don't get it. I'm an independent voter that leans hard right on most issues but we need to clean house from front to back in my opinion, it's just not going to happen. There really is no choice for someone like me and I'm getting sick of voting for people that I really have very little in common with.
It's way past time for people to stand up for what they believe in instead of voting for the popular choice or the lesser of two evils. I welcome it and would vote for fiscal responsibility over anything and everyone right now.
I'm sick of both parties right now because they really don't get it. I'm an independent voter that leans hard right on most issues but we need to clean house from front to back in my opinion, it's just not going to happen. There really is no choice for someone like me and I'm getting sick of voting for people that I really have very little in common with.
It's way past time for people to stand up for what they believe in instead of voting for the popular choice or the lesser of two evils. I welcome it and would vote for fiscal responsibility over anything and everyone right now.
The timing is right
July 16, 2009
Inside Obama's freefall in the polls
Rick Moran
Allah at Hot Air points out he's down 9 points in a month with the all important independents dropping the president like yesterday's dead fish:
Net approval: Down 15 points since June. Net who say they'd vote to reelect The One rather than vote for someone else: A measly +3, down 13 points. Number who say they're confident the stimulus will turn the economy around: 39 percent, also down 13 points. And the number who say the country's "seriously off on the wrong track": 55 percent, up 13 points.
Surely this trend is a function of miserable unemployment numbers, bound to reverse itself instantly once the economy starts cranking out jobs again, right? Hmmm.
Indeed, the poll's internals offer up an interesting view of how the public perceives Obama's policies:
In the context of decreasing levels of confidence in the current stimulus package, coupled with discussion about the viability of another one, the Poll shows very little support for a proposal for another stimulus package, with only 36% saying they would support such a proposal and 52% saying they would oppose it, with 40% saying they would strongly oppose it.
At the same time, it is clear that concerns over the prospect of greater deficits trump concerns over economic recovery. When given the choice, voters would prefer a slower economic recovery that incurs smaller deficits than a quicker economic recovery with greater deficits. Specifically, 71% of voters say they would choose a slower economic recovery with a lower deficit, compared with 23% of voters who say they would prefer a quicker recovery with a higher deficit.
Does this sound like a population engaged in a "seismic shift" to the left? Not hardly. The poll indicates a public getting very worried about the future as well as a loss of faith that Obama knows what he's doing.
I find it incredible that 71% of the country would prefer a slower recovery to higher deficits. That's a very high number and shows that the American people have a very realistic attitude about the economy.
There are openings galore for the GOP. Sadly, the party appears so discombobulated at the moment that by the time they get organized, it may be too late - both electorally and for the economy.
July 16, 2009
Inside Obama's freefall in the polls
Rick Moran
Allah at Hot Air points out he's down 9 points in a month with the all important independents dropping the president like yesterday's dead fish:
Net approval: Down 15 points since June. Net who say they'd vote to reelect The One rather than vote for someone else: A measly +3, down 13 points. Number who say they're confident the stimulus will turn the economy around: 39 percent, also down 13 points. And the number who say the country's "seriously off on the wrong track": 55 percent, up 13 points.
Surely this trend is a function of miserable unemployment numbers, bound to reverse itself instantly once the economy starts cranking out jobs again, right? Hmmm.
Indeed, the poll's internals offer up an interesting view of how the public perceives Obama's policies:
In the context of decreasing levels of confidence in the current stimulus package, coupled with discussion about the viability of another one, the Poll shows very little support for a proposal for another stimulus package, with only 36% saying they would support such a proposal and 52% saying they would oppose it, with 40% saying they would strongly oppose it.
At the same time, it is clear that concerns over the prospect of greater deficits trump concerns over economic recovery. When given the choice, voters would prefer a slower economic recovery that incurs smaller deficits than a quicker economic recovery with greater deficits. Specifically, 71% of voters say they would choose a slower economic recovery with a lower deficit, compared with 23% of voters who say they would prefer a quicker recovery with a higher deficit.
Does this sound like a population engaged in a "seismic shift" to the left? Not hardly. The poll indicates a public getting very worried about the future as well as a loss of faith that Obama knows what he's doing.
I find it incredible that 71% of the country would prefer a slower recovery to higher deficits. That's a very high number and shows that the American people have a very realistic attitude about the economy.
There are openings galore for the GOP. Sadly, the party appears so discombobulated at the moment that by the time they get organized, it may be too late - both electorally and for the economy.
Wow, holy sinking ship~!!
What's really freaky is that 36% would support a 2nd stimulus.
that just means that 36% of the people want more free money. No surprise there. I'm with most of you, we need fresh people in washington DC. No more special interest groups, no more free handouts, use common sense.
I dont remember the exact quote but back when Davey Crocket was a congressman there was a proposal to give the widow of a sailor some money after his death. Davey C opposed the bill, and most of congress was shocked. He simply explained that his job as a congressman was to follow the constitution and no where in it, did it give the US government permission to use tax dollars to compensate any one citizen. He then asked congress to instead give up one weeks pay as a donation instead of passing the bill that would be at the expense of the tax payers.
Needless to say congress didn't make any donation
Crooked politics is wrecking this country and we are paying for it.
I dont remember the exact quote but back when Davey Crocket was a congressman there was a proposal to give the widow of a sailor some money after his death. Davey C opposed the bill, and most of congress was shocked. He simply explained that his job as a congressman was to follow the constitution and no where in it, did it give the US government permission to use tax dollars to compensate any one citizen. He then asked congress to instead give up one weeks pay as a donation instead of passing the bill that would be at the expense of the tax payers.
Needless to say congress didn't make any donation
Crooked politics is wrecking this country and we are paying for it.
that just means that 36% of the people want more free money. No surprise there. I'm with most of you, we need fresh people in washington DC. No more special interest groups, no more free handouts, use common sense.
I dont remember the exact quote but back when Davey Crocket was a congressman there was a proposal to give the widow of a sailor some money after his death. Davey C opposed the bill, and most of congress was shocked. He simply explained that his job as a congressman was to follow the constitution and no where in it, did it give the US government permission to use tax dollars to compensate any one citizen. He then asked congress to instead give up one weeks pay as a donation instead of passing the bill that would be at the expense of the tax payers.
Needless to say congress didn't make any donation
Crooked politics is wrecking this country and we are paying for it.
Good call junkie! F those freeloaders
The healthcare crap they are trying to pass is the same bs. When I entered the workforce my dads advise was to find a job doing something I enjoyed & that offered healthcare so that is what I did.
Dont tax the hard working people to pay for the non-ambitious & weak minded
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There is a likelyhood that if a third party is formed it will pull more votes from republicans than democrats.
However, the independants are looking for representation also. They make up over 30% of the voting public now. When Ross (I see black helicopters) Parot ran as a third party he did very well. The media was going after him with everything they had and he was still pullin in over 30%.
If we could get a 3rd party that was more sentrist and not so hard line one way or the other, I think they would stand a chance. The problem is that since we don't recognize a true third party, there is no provision for it. The party would have to get the signatures to get on the ballot, then have the funding to compete with the big dogs. All the while fighting off the media and both the liberal and conservative bloggers who would go after them for stealing votes from them.
It would get messy. I think it would be worth it. Even if it means less conservatives getting elected right now. Ross Parot for all his moronic statements at the end, scared the h$ll out of the two parties. He "had" a real chance to win the whole thing and they knew it. A third party could take over washington if they went in with a plan and STUCK to it.
However, the independants are looking for representation also. They make up over 30% of the voting public now. When Ross (I see black helicopters) Parot ran as a third party he did very well. The media was going after him with everything they had and he was still pullin in over 30%.
If we could get a 3rd party that was more sentrist and not so hard line one way or the other, I think they would stand a chance. The problem is that since we don't recognize a true third party, there is no provision for it. The party would have to get the signatures to get on the ballot, then have the funding to compete with the big dogs. All the while fighting off the media and both the liberal and conservative bloggers who would go after them for stealing votes from them.
It would get messy. I think it would be worth it. Even if it means less conservatives getting elected right now. Ross Parot for all his moronic statements at the end, scared the h$ll out of the two parties. He "had" a real chance to win the whole thing and they knew it. A third party could take over washington if they went in with a plan and STUCK to it.
Perot showed very poor judgement with his VP pick and it had to help do him in. I admit, I voted for that wacko.
Haha You Freak! So did I & all I can think about is that "Giant Sucking Sound of Jobs Leaving America" & how true it turned out to be.
Hindsight is everything & we would have been better off with that goofball
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