point of comparison...i ride an 09 1000, speedwerx y-pipe, can, air intake mod and excellent clutching.....compared to the other 1000s i ride with that have full exhaust systems/clutching, mine is faster, both in drag racing and hill climbing, it runs with 1000 pump gas turbos in most drag races, and gets beat slightly on powder pulls and also the pg turbos will leave me after mine is tapped out for speed on drag races....this point is not for bragging, but as a point of comparison with the new 2010 m-8s, both sno-pro and hcrs.....snow conditions were soft, spring snow for the drag races and similar for our hill climb comparisons.....the m-8s i rode were obviously dialed, with never a bog, stutter, or hesitation of any kind....they were quick, clutched about perfect, although i thought both could use a couple of degrees more helix.....in a drag race off the line, the 1000 would jump them about a 1/2 sled length, then run dead even until the m-8s tapped out for speed, then the 1000 would continue to gain speed, with eventually having 5-8 mph more on the top end.....on the hill climb, with both sleds about 1 sled length from the break of an almost level to very steep hill, the results were almost identical, with the 1000 gaining 1/2 to 1 sled length on a 150 yd uphill run, stopped because of the hill cresting and trees....on the uphill race the hcr would pull the sno-pro slightly, probably because of the track.....in free riding with both sno-pro and hcr in uphill, technical pulls, trees, ravines, uneven terrain and very steep, the new 8s were flawless.....i frequently, through necessity and my curiosity, would completely back off the throttle, and get back into it...backshifting was quick and flawless, with power coming back in quickly and without hesitation....handling in these situations was very good, obviously lighter that my 1000, very good, forgiving type of ride that inspires confidence in difficult situations.....i preferred the hcr in these type of conditions, but in deep powder would probably take the 162 sno-pro for the float......i have had modded m-8s, but the 2010 8s would run rings around the previous years sleds....another point of comparison, i also have an 09 d-8, with slp exhaust, v-force reeds and milled head with very excellent clutching....the new m-8s handle that sled easily, both in drags and hill climbing, and also in ease of negotiating tough uphill technical climbs.....the other cat i rode was the 1100 turbo, with a 162 long track and boondocker control box, set at about 280 hp....delightful sled, comfy ride, but limited in rougher terrain, handles nice through the trees, and very fast....although i didn't line it up with the other sleds, i felt it would easily run away from any of them....i was riding the turbo by myself, and took care not to get it stuck, as it was obviously heavier than i would want to dig out by myself....bottom line, i was very impressed with the new m-8....the seat seems a bit high, a bit firm, has good storage, over-all improvement from last years'....wouldn't hesitate to rate the new 8s as the pick of the litter for next year....