why even live in BC to look at the mountains then if we cant ride them. and I have seen quite a few and i know where they go and lot of the time when. first hint is when you see the same hill slide 4 times that other hills are going to be like that. and this whole topic about how to get out of a avalanche is retarted cause most the time you are at the top of it when it goes why is every one being a hero and goes right through the middle usually ends up doing good then hit the build up wipe out and eat crap while the full force is coming at them. ive been in 3 decent ones now i just locked my brake up and surfed through it staying pretty well at the top instead of trying to out run it through the middle. and this guy made er fine id drink beer to that not go off on how he shouldnt be there...Ridiculous!!
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MTdream
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dont take it as defending because I clearly stated my comments were clearly NOT directed at anyone and I did not want to quote someone whom I have a disagreement with...
the start of this thread has been changed, and is a LOT less abrupt as it was when I first commented on it...i.e. it has been modified dramatically...
as to your comments, I think you might have me mistaken about a thread on someone in revy and digging a pit etc. but then again, maybe a goblin took over my PC and did it for me
your 100% correct, we cant know for certain, we can only hope to mitigate the danger...
However, my reply is in broader scope that some have been MUCH more brazen in their opinion with an attitude of " I live big, I play big, and when I go, it is just me that gets hurt" well it is not anywhere near true...you die in an avy, your done, it is all the others that get hurt....
I for one, am VERY thankful for the discussion and the attention to this issue...for me this year, it has been a wake up for some of my friends that dont carry radios, and one of my friends is not here now and he might be if he had a radio and the others had, as they could have done a buddy check and realized he was not responding, and might have looked for him sooner...
it is terribly sad to lose friends, but it is even worse to lose them, and never learn from the mistakes, and God forbid repeate those mistakes...
A safe hill to me is one that if it slid the snow would not build up to a level that would be life threatening. It is possible to have fun without climbing 250' and larger climbs. 50'-75' hills that are steep can be a lot of fun. Also Ive found hills that I refer to as freeways to be fairly safe, a hill that is used as a climb over point all year, I usually wait to see dozens of other tracks on them before I climb them.
Sorry but you can make a pretty good decision on slope stability by just looking at the terrain and also digging pits on it. Yes things change around a lot as you move around but there are a lot of times you can evaluate a slope and make and good and informed decision about it. I think there are varying levels of middle ground on this. You can't predicts everything but you sure can do all you can to get all the information that is out there.
And this whole we have seen hills slide that we have never seen slide before. Return rates on paths can sometimes be very long. Just becuase you weren't there for every one doesn't mean it hasn't slide. and just because 'you' thought the hill was safe doesn't mean somebody could not come along and point out it's not.
Thanks for posting and thanks to everyone for the comments....if nothing else
I hope that we all learn something from this, just getting people thinking and learning is what will save lives. as Slim and Jeeper have said we all used to pound away at that very hill in identical conditions...we wont again because we have learned....If this video stops just 1 person from climbing there, all the
crap he has taken will be worth it. We need to encourage everyone to post
their mistakes and not flame them for doing so, that is how all of us will get
better......This will save more lives than anything else....
I hope that we all learn something from this, just getting people thinking and learning is what will save lives. as Slim and Jeeper have said we all used to pound away at that very hill in identical conditions...we wont again because we have learned....If this video stops just 1 person from climbing there, all the
crap he has taken will be worth it. We need to encourage everyone to post
their mistakes and not flame them for doing so, that is how all of us will get
better......This will save more lives than anything else....
Boys and Girls, making a decision is everyday life. We are continually faced with decisions. Some have to decide if they will climb a hill, some have to decide if they will layoff 100,000 workers, in Freak's case, he has to decide if the BJ is worth $100 (Freak is my buddy and that was a joke!!), but in any case, GOD gave humans reason, which is what allows us to make these decisions. The key like many have said, is that we educate and give people the tools to be able to make the best decision possible. The result of that decision is called consequence, and rather we like it or not, we all have to live with the consequences, right or wrong. So quit argueing about if he made the right or wrong decision because it doesnt matter now, but put your efforts into the education and prevention. I just hate the finger pointing because finger pointing has never solved a problem, only makes it harder!!
Thanks for posting.
I have had may own expereince with a smaller slide that sctually buried me for awhile. I also posted it on youtube and some of the comments are interesting. A lot of people that have commented on mine and your video are possionate about making sure you know you are dumb. This is of course after watching the video and analyzing it several times and then activng like they would NEVER do anything remotely that stupid.
Some are more educated about avy's but this video shows what can happen. The fact of the matter is that ANY off trail riding is dangerous. Whether it's landmines(rocks, trees, fance posts) avalanches, creek beds, etc. Sometimes you have to learn some things the hard way. Some people have a hard time dealing with people making their own decisions.
Anyway, I learned a lot from my little avy expereince. I take more precautions and such. However, I still am going to play in some areas that may get a little challenging. And challenging ususally means a LITTLE dangerous. This is the fun about sledding. This video reminds me again of what can happen. If I had to ride a sled like driving a car on the highway then I would sell my sleds and get more 4-wheelers and ride a trail in dessert in the winter.
Thanks again for the post and glad you got out of it well.
I have had may own expereince with a smaller slide that sctually buried me for awhile. I also posted it on youtube and some of the comments are interesting. A lot of people that have commented on mine and your video are possionate about making sure you know you are dumb. This is of course after watching the video and analyzing it several times and then activng like they would NEVER do anything remotely that stupid.
Some are more educated about avy's but this video shows what can happen. The fact of the matter is that ANY off trail riding is dangerous. Whether it's landmines(rocks, trees, fance posts) avalanches, creek beds, etc. Sometimes you have to learn some things the hard way. Some people have a hard time dealing with people making their own decisions.
Anyway, I learned a lot from my little avy expereince. I take more precautions and such. However, I still am going to play in some areas that may get a little challenging. And challenging ususally means a LITTLE dangerous. This is the fun about sledding. This video reminds me again of what can happen. If I had to ride a sled like driving a car on the highway then I would sell my sleds and get more 4-wheelers and ride a trail in dessert in the winter.
Thanks again for the post and glad you got out of it well.
Let me reiterate, my problem was not with his riding or posting of the video. I felt the author portrayed an idea that you can learn how to avoid being killed by an avalanche if you have tons of experience and are a great rider. I hope everyone stays safe, from Darko to Dukie, from OT to Hatchers, I want them all to be safe, however, if they choose to take beyond reasonable risks that's their choice so long as they don't endanger me. I do believe in what CC has said but I think we should police the forum for anyone who might be teaching others things that are unsafe that we veterans of the sport and forum have already learned.
Yep, we should all ride like we are scared, no doubt about it. And I agree with Freak, you should never teach that there are techniques to help you survive an avalanche, because they are all different. But I do think it is important to share perspectives from people who have been in them, so that if at some point you find your self in this position, even the littlest thing could make the difference between life and death.
Some people think I do **** without thinking (not talking about avalanches), but what they dont realize, is my mind is constantly running over every scenario. I never make a pull, jump something or anything else while snowmobiling without considering it in my mind.
Some people think I do **** without thinking (not talking about avalanches), but what they dont realize, is my mind is constantly running over every scenario. I never make a pull, jump something or anything else while snowmobiling without considering it in my mind.
He was trying to say that you don't need to worry about an avalanche because you can always ride out of it. He knows that he made a mistake in climing the hill, and he said so. There is nothing wrong with telling how he was able to ride the sled out. The information might be useful and it is good to hear his story.
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I saw this post earlier and didn't comment but since you edited, here goes.
I haven't been riding as much as a lot of the people on this forum but been going to the mountains for about seven winters. can honestlyly say i've gone up worse than that without hesitation. everyone talks about checking the snow layers knowing your riding area etc. don't recall seeing anyone digging unless they were stuck. always been smart enough to go 1 at a time but it seems to me that alot of people talk the talk and critisize but i bet those same guys are taking big risks too. i don't know where all these people ride i go to valemount McBride and revelstoke like i said i don't see anyone checking snow layers. beat the guys for not having gear but i woulda gone up if i were there suppose that makes me stupid too.
Maybe thats why i won't buy a turbo cause if it'll go i'll go after all that's why we're there isn't it.
I haven't been riding as much as a lot of the people on this forum but been going to the mountains for about seven winters. can honestlyly say i've gone up worse than that without hesitation. everyone talks about checking the snow layers knowing your riding area etc. don't recall seeing anyone digging unless they were stuck. always been smart enough to go 1 at a time but it seems to me that alot of people talk the talk and critisize but i bet those same guys are taking big risks too. i don't know where all these people ride i go to valemount McBride and revelstoke like i said i don't see anyone checking snow layers. beat the guys for not having gear but i woulda gone up if i were there suppose that makes me stupid too.
Maybe thats why i won't buy a turbo cause if it'll go i'll go after all that's why we're there isn't it.
You cheated death my friend........
As far as your decison, its not my place. You can pick anyone on here, we at some point have all made poor or questionable decisons, face it, its the human factor!
One thing that struck me about the video is the speed. It seemed the slide was rather shallow and small. It seemed rather effortless for you to pull out ahead of it, except for the small dip that looked like a water fall. It picked up speed rather slowly and it never seemed to peak out such as commonly seen in dry slabs.
Thanks for sharing, did you at least buy a lottery ticket ?
As far as your decison, its not my place. You can pick anyone on here, we at some point have all made poor or questionable decisons, face it, its the human factor!
One thing that struck me about the video is the speed. It seemed the slide was rather shallow and small. It seemed rather effortless for you to pull out ahead of it, except for the small dip that looked like a water fall. It picked up speed rather slowly and it never seemed to peak out such as commonly seen in dry slabs.
Thanks for sharing, did you at least buy a lottery ticket ?
At least you got the high mark of the day
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R44guy
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Thanks for sharing
That is a great video to share. It just happens so quick and this would scare most people into just giving it to race the avy down the hill by turning right into it with out thinking! You did a great job and the video is great to show all ages of riders, you are lucky and you were cool and collected so you knew enough to drive out the way you did. I will show this video to all of the young riders who ride out west with us. Once again thanks for sharing.
That is a great video to share. It just happens so quick and this would scare most people into just giving it to race the avy down the hill by turning right into it with out thinking! You did a great job and the video is great to show all ages of riders, you are lucky and you were cool and collected so you knew enough to drive out the way you did. I will show this video to all of the young riders who ride out west with us. Once again thanks for sharing.
"Thanks for sharing, did you at least buy a lottery ticket ?"
Or get that person a non NFMH ?
8 pages of bashing, constructive criticism, opinions, and nobody comments on the NMFH?
Agree, he was lucky that what he did worked for him, and it may or may not work for anyone else on that hill or any other hill.
Ride Smart everyone!
Or get that person a non NFMH ?
8 pages of bashing, constructive criticism, opinions, and nobody comments on the NMFH?
Agree, he was lucky that what he did worked for him, and it may or may not work for anyone else on that hill or any other hill.
Ride Smart everyone!
I was there a few days after...
Nice Post Slim. And thank you for posting this thread as many have expressed. It's unfortunate all the bashers on Snowest really have nothing to learn from this or think they already know it all. I learned alot from your viedo and post! I bought my ABS pack for this same trip we took ...I believe we were there 2 days after you broke this slide. Just before we dropped over the saddle "into the other dream valley of hills and mountains," we stopped to admire this slide and saw how big it was in person. We had no idea we'd come home and see the footage of someone who had actually ridden this one out. If you didn't continue North, almost every hill in that area has now slid. Thank you for the educational video and sharing this one. Once again, thank you and God Bless....
Nice Post Slim. And thank you for posting this thread as many have expressed. It's unfortunate all the bashers on Snowest really have nothing to learn from this or think they already know it all. I learned alot from your viedo and post! I bought my ABS pack for this same trip we took ...I believe we were there 2 days after you broke this slide. Just before we dropped over the saddle "into the other dream valley of hills and mountains," we stopped to admire this slide and saw how big it was in person. We had no idea we'd come home and see the footage of someone who had actually ridden this one out. If you didn't continue North, almost every hill in that area has now slid. Thank you for the educational video and sharing this one. Once again, thank you and God Bless....
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