raze ninja nitrous

[s.back]

has anyone tried the raze ninja nitrous? im going back and forth between a pr2 ecu or just pulling the trigger on this set up. would like to here the pros and con. there seems to be a lot going on with this set up and worries me it may not be that reliable. lets here your thought on nitrous and the raze ninja.

 

[SuperchargedWS6]

has anyone tried the raze ninja nitrous? im going back and forth between a pr2 ecu or just pulling the trigger on this set up. would like to here the pros and con. there seems to be a lot going on with this set up and worries me it may not be that reliable. lets here your thought on nitrous and the raze ninja.

ive got one ordered for a 450fx but no experience yet. this seems like the ultimate setup if it works.

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[highflyernick]

I just ordered the ninja from them as well, will let you know in a couple months! Just picked up a new husky 450 and going to put it on that with an SX120. I think if Reagan and others depend on their(RAZE) ECU, they must be good. The PR2 one is top notch as well, and way cheaper if you are just buying an ECU.

 

[SnowHusky]

Does Anyone have first or second person experience of the mysterious King Kong kit?


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[assaultn]

Talked with the Raze boys at the sled show this weekend. King Kong kit is still in developement. They were very transparent and went through some of the obstacles they are trying to overcome. They will not be releasing it until 100% field tested and ready. Great guys and from what I see the nitrous kit is the ticket right now. No first hand experience but sounds slick.

 

[s.back]

after talking to a few people about the ninja I am sold on the unit and ready to purchase. so before buying I did a quick check on how available nitrous is in my area. this is where I encountered the problem. found one place near me and they want $15 a pound and they don't always have it. so I called other places and was told they haven't been able to get it in over 4 months. was told that every sense the plant blew up in florida 8 months ago it is hard to get nitrous. this is just what I was told, might be easier to come by in other states but California its not that available.

 

[Eric R]

I've had, and still have, the same questions as everyone else here. As soon as I'm convinced they have the bugs (and supply now too I guess) worked out with the nitrous system I'll be buying it. It just doesn't leave me with the impression that it's as reliable as I'm hoping for. It's not even that people are bashing it, because I've heard very little of that, but it's what they are not saying. If it was all that and a bag of chips people would be making POSTS LIKE THIS! AWESOME! WORTH EVERY PENNY!

But they're not. Maybe just not yet.

I did buy a PR2 as I've spoke with a few people that don't have any interest in the companies success that swear by it. The jury's still out for me, but I'll comment on it once I get a few rides in. Hopefully in a post with lots of bold letters and caps and me smiling a lot.

 

[Raze Moto]

has anyone tried the raze ninja nitrous? im going back and forth between a pr2 ecu or just pulling the trigger on this set up. would like to here the pros and con. there seems to be a lot going on with this set up and worries me it may not be that reliable. lets here your thought on nitrous and the raze ninja.

You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to ECU’s on snowbikes.

For anyone on the fence, keep in mind our kit comes with more than just an ECU. We include a baro sensor and thermostat for a reason. There is a lot of talk about certain ECU’s using the MAP sensor data to compensate for baro pressure and altitude changes and that’s completely inaccurate. Once the engine starts the engine is under a vacuum the MAP sensor is seeing engine load in a vacuum. The only time the map sensor is reading outside air is when it initially starts up before the starter engages starts to move the piston up and down the cylinder. That’s the only time this data is used so unless you shut the bike off and turn it on it can’t compensate for any changes on the fly.

You can test this yourself. Take you bike as stock or one of our competitors ECU’s and unplug the map sensor. The only thing that will change is the bike will have to make two complete revolutions before it will fire compared to just one because it can’t find TDC and has to look at the crank sensor to figure it out. With our ECU if you unplug the map sensor the bike wont’ even run.

Our Wingman kit is more expensive for a reason – and we’re not just reselling an ECU made by another company like some of our competitors. Our ECU is the first ever engine strategy designed for snow bikes and we are the only ones that are using a complex algorithm that adjusts the timing curve on the fly using the baro as a key multiplier. This creates bottom end torque at high altitude that riders really want.

 

[s.back]

I went ahead and ordered the raze ecu in hopes that nos will become more available in my area. I also believe a baro sensor is a important input. With raze giving me 20% off and not needing a t stat it wasn't that much more than a pr2. Has anyone else checked availability of nos in there area?

 

[byeatts]

You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to ECU’s on snowbikes.

For anyone on the fence, keep in mind our kit comes with more than just an ECU. We include a baro sensor and thermostat for a reason. There is a lot of talk about certain ECU’s using the MAP sensor data to compensate for baro pressure and altitude changes and that’s completely inaccurate. Once the engine starts the engine is under a vacuum the MAP sensor is seeing engine load in a vacuum. The only time the map sensor is reading outside air is when it initially starts up before the starter engages starts to move the piston up and down the cylinder. That’s the only time this data is used so unless you shut the bike off and turn it on it can’t compensate for any changes on the fly.

You can test this yourself. Take you bike as stock or one of our competitors ECU’s and unplug the map sensor. The only thing that will change is the bike will have to make two complete revolutions before it will fire compared to just one because it can’t find TDC and has to look at the crank sensor to figure it out. With our ECU if you unplug the map sensor the bike wont’ even run.

Our Wingman kit is more expensive for a reason – and we’re not just reselling an ECU made by another company like some of our competitors. Our ECU is the first ever engine strategy designed for snow bikes and we are the only ones that are using a complex algorithm that adjusts the timing curve on the fly using the baro as a key multiplier. This creates bottom end torque at high altitude that riders really want.

Great info. Have you run these on Factory Edition 450,s. The Factory bike has different piston and compression, Different cam, different injectors and will not run with a SX ECU of the same or next year, the mapping is different, The stock Factory ECU does not read the water temps either like the xc and SX does, Looking for options from Raze ,Thank You.

 

[needpowder]

Raze wingman

So...when you say 10+ hp with your wingman kit which bike is that on? Not trying to be a dick but if i had those numbers for real the first think i would post would be a dyno chart.

 

[needpowder]

Don’t get me wrong, i like the info you’ve been giving. The snowbike community will pay whatever you charge if you truly make a superior product but im looking for more than testimonials from a few sponsored riders.

 

[SuperchargedWS6]

So...when you say 10+ hp with your wingman kit which bike is that on? Not trying to be a dick but if i had those numbers for real the first think i would post would be a dyno chart.

From what i have seen, no dyno results. They are using using data from the ECU to somehow calculate HP. I would say this is not the most proven method of making HP claims. Also, it is my understanding the HP increase is the difference between a stock bike at high elevation running pig rich vs a bike with the wingman. If you compare the wingman to a bike with a thermostat where the temps are where they need to be, it will not be that drastic of a difference. Add a leaner tune like through a yamaha programmer and the HP increase of the wingman drops yet again. Now, what a programmer and temp control dont get you are the snowbike specific control algorith that increases low end torque and throttle response. that makes it more fun to ride bit wont necessarily let you climb higher or faster. Ive seen some reviews that compare to bikes with and without wingman and they are pretty much neck and neck (no noticeable performance difference) but comments that the wingman feels "snappier". For me I am not counting on the 10hp increase. If i get a better running bike at elevation and 20HP from the nitrous, it will be worth it for me. the odd time my Ice Age kit actually kicked in, it was a very noticeable difference in power in a climb.

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[needpowder]

I gotcha. Just seems cocky to be claiming a 10 hp increase. What if im riding s 250? Do i get a 10 horse there? I mean if we are talking a bike running below operating temp at high elevation, then yes, probably some power to be made up. Me personally, with proper set up my bike very rarely dropped below 160 and never went over 220. And I changed the oil every ride or two depending on how cold my engine got. I wanna believe. Disclaimer—just got the pr2 in the mail a few weeks ago.

 

[capulin overdrive]

You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to ECU’s on snowbikes.

For anyone on the fence, keep in mind our kit comes with more than just an ECU. We include a baro sensor and thermostat for a reason. There is a lot of talk about certain ECU’s using the MAP sensor data to compensate for baro pressure and altitude changes and that’s completely inaccurate. Once the engine starts the engine is under a vacuum the MAP sensor is seeing engine load in a vacuum. The only time the map sensor is reading outside air is when it initially starts up before the starter engages starts to move the piston up and down the cylinder. That’s the only time this data is used so unless you shut the bike off and turn it on it can’t compensate for any changes on the fly.

You can test this yourself. Take you bike as stock or one of our competitors ECU’s and unplug the map sensor. The only thing that will change is the bike will have to make two complete revolutions before it will fire compared to just one because it can’t find TDC and has to look at the crank sensor to figure it out. With our ECU if you unplug the map sensor the bike wont’ even run.

Our Wingman kit is more expensive for a reason – and we’re not just reselling an ECU made by another company like some of our competitors. Our ECU is the first ever engine strategy designed for snow bikes and we are the only ones that are using a complex algorithm that adjusts the timing curve on the fly using the baro as a key multiplier. This creates bottom end torque at high altitude that riders really want.

Everybody is interested in your stuff, and you're doing some really cool stuff.


BUT, so far the word isn't out on your products by getting them used by the right rider.




The PR2 Racing Vortex ECU sold like gang busters by getting one into the hands of a reputable forum member, and the word spread.


We want to know what Joe Sixpack has to say, not some sponsored race kid.


Come out to Toby Till's Bigdog gathering, or get out west and get a bike where guys could get a quick ride and compare it to the other options.

 

[byeatts]

Everybody is interested in your stuff, and you're doing some really cool stuff.


BUT, so far the word isn't out on your products by getting them used by the right rider.




The PR2 Racing Vortex ECU sold like gang busters by getting one into the hands of a reputable forum member, and the word spread.


We want to know what Joe Sixpack has to say, not some sponsored race kid.


Come out to Toby Till's Bigdog gathering, or get out west and get a bike where guys could get a quick ride and compare it to the other options.

One thing for sure is Raze and PR2 offer kool performance parts. They are top quality and I for one am glad these options are here,,,If I can get one more hp that means I'm that much further up the hill , After all its about being a ski length ahead of ewer buddys anyways,,Lol

 

[highflyernick]

Has anyone tried mounting these somehow to the subframe of bike so it's more tucked up underneath the bike ? Even if it was near exhaust a bit wouldn't be the worst maybe keep bottle pressure up?

 

[cosb]

Do you need to run some kind of bottle warmer for this Nitrous kit?

 

[SuperchargedWS6]

Do you need to run some kind of bottle warmer for this Nitrous kit?

you would not have the power to do so on a bike. the kit measures bottle pressure and adjusts fuelling accordingly. So at the start you get more than 20hp and at the end less, but always the right fuelling.

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[byeatts]

you would not have the power to do so on a bike. the kit measures bottle pressure and adjusts fuelling accordingly. So at the start you get more than 20hp and at the end less, but always the right fuelling.

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A shroud could be made to transfer the muffler heat to the bottle pretty easy