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Preserving Wilderness: The GOP and its two-stroke toys

So now parents that allow their children to snowmobile is considered "poor parenting" because they must just be out there to "terrorize wildlife on two-stroke shenanigans".

Gee, and to think that I thought snowmobiling with childeren was all about teaching children respect for wildlife and the environment, having good family time together, keeping kids off drugs and out of gangs, and having a little fun to boot. :rolleyes:

Thumbs up to the GOP for discussing access concerns when discussing wilderness. You sure wouldn't be having this conversation in a more liberal crowd. :)

"to let them terrorize wildlife on two-stroke shenanigans is absurd and, frankly, poor parenting."

http://www.examiner.com/x-535-North...ing-Wilderness-The-GOP-and-its-twostroke-toys

Preserving Wilderness: The GOP and its two-stroke toys
POSTED August 28, 4:14 PM
Jesse Nelson - Northwest Environment Examiner


Flipping through the channels while eating breakfast yesterday, I came across the Republican Party Platform meeting on C-SPAN (RealPlayer video). The topic was wilderness area access. Intriguing, yet I still had to choke down my granola after hearing the ignorance of one particular gem.

Kendal Unruh, a delegate from Castle Rock, Colorado and a real Ann Coulter believer, was requesting that the RNC include an amendment to the RNC platform section on Continuing our Stewardship over the Environment. The original text for the platform stated, “the public should have motorized and pedestrian access to” wilderness and public areas. Ms. Unruh’s amendment wanted to adjust the language to state, “the public should have access by all means to…”

Ms. Unruh in her own words:

“We’ve all seen the headline news of the radical environmentalists who are attempting to shut off public lands to motorized access to – atv access to – any type of access except for potentially hiking.”

“There is a very large debate in the state of Colorado to restrict access to wilderness and public areas that we own and we lay claim to the wonderful area of Boulder who has an extremely active climbing group that is pushing this issue and they are attempting to change the face of our state to where other people who have legitimate reasons for recreational opportunities to access these public lands would be shut out in an attempt to, I guess their logic is, to keep it completely wild and free to where people only people that share their sport of choice, as hikers, would have access to it.”​

Reciting the GOP anti-Clinton mantra, Jim Merrill, a delegate from New Hampshire, supported this amendment because of the economic value that snowmobiling on public lands brings to rural communities.

Simpleminded entitlement at its finest. Aside from the affront to my hometown (go figure ;), she appeals to the self-righteous on the basis that public lands should be made available to any means possible, from dirt bike to hiker to jet boat. She seems to miss is the idea that they are open to the public, but not all its toys.

She also misses the point of preservation and keeping our loud, stinky, and disruptive toys out of pristine areas. Luckily, Herb Schoenbohm from the Virgin Islands came to save the day. I’d recount his story, but it was really long. The gist of it was on his experiences in the Quetico Provincial Park and Superior Forest, a wilderness area that is only accessible by canoe, and the beauty of being that immersed in nature.

It was unfortunate to hear that Conrad Burns (MT) supported the amendment, but at least he put a pragmatic spin on this woman’s personal agenda. He clued the whole committee into the fact that the Wilderness Act of 1964 prohibited any sort of motorized vehicle on preserved lands. Finally, some logic!

In this age, many people, especially children, suffer from acute nature deficit disorder. The idea that we are entitled to take our video game generation to the wilderness to let them terrorize wildlife on two-stroke shenanigans is absurd and, frankly, poor parenting.
 
"Intriguing, yet I still had to choke down my granola after hearing the ignorance of one particular gem."

I think that sentence tells us all we need to know about the author.
Dave, did you get that email I sent you yesterday?
 
Would it make him feel any better if we were terrorizing the wildlife on a 4 stroke turbo?
 
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I guess I am a bad parent. Never thought teaching my kids how to ride a snowmobile was such a no no. All along I thought I was teaching them resonsibility and how to enjoy the deep reaches of places they would normally never see. I think we need to set aside an island and keep it undeveloped and send all the greenies there so they can live with nature and see what a mother she really is.
 
Jeezus H whatever happened to just having a little fun and enjoying the outdoors. I don't b*tch about cross country ski trails (which are made by a large, loud, diesel burning machine), why do they care what I'm doin?
 
I guess I am a bad parent. Never thought teaching my kids how to ride a snowmobile was such a no no. All along I thought I was teaching them resonsibility and how to enjoy the deep reaches of places they would normally never see. I think we need to set aside an island and keep it undeveloped and send all the greenies there so they can live with nature and see what a mother she really is.

x2!!! Make it a small island also so they have to compete/fight for space, food, etc.
 
wow, yeah..

i can't even imagine what my kid would be growing up in when the time comes...maybe i wouldn't even want to put another person through it.

its a fight for everything and anything we do now.


yep, your much better off leaving your kid at home, locked in the house, playing video games, and watching tv...so when he grows up to snort coke and get high in the basement he/she'll be something worth while to society.
not to appreciate the beauties of nature and see things they'd otherwise never have a chance to see in their lives..
yes keep them tied up in the city, tug that leash when its time to go potty...
man. are these people raising kids or just another family pet.
i think anything you do anymore to "raise a kid" is wrong..

everything you do wrong is wrong, everything you do right is wrong..so do you do nothing at all. or just do whatever you want and not care...
 
x2!!! Make it a small island also so they have to compete/fight for space, food, etc.

i'm not even sure if its about "having their own wilderness".

i think its more so just to fight so they can "have everything"..its greed.


i'd imagine if you compare percentages between snowmobilers and skiers/hikers/etc....then compare legal snowmobiling land % to ... well . . everything else... you'd see the snowmobiling population is really quite miniscule.

the snowmobilers are a very very small %...when you have people that think your snowmobile in the back of the truck is a motorcycle..


i think the biggest issue is, people are greedy, which is the way society is in general, and basically are unable to 'share' anything anymore.

essentially the twist that gets used is we are 'preserving' it for future generations...which means...we are preserving beauty for our childeren to see...even though they wont be able to 'see' it since they will not have access to it...


ok wow, i hate these topics...lol better get back to work...or at least browsing some funner, less negative subjects.

sorry for the rants..
 
I think it's more that these people are just completely brain washed and believe all the BS they hear.
The wife made me watch on of those trading spouses shows and one family lived out in the sticks and the other in burbia AZ. The lady from AZ who came out to the rural home was one of these artist, vegetarian, does nothing fun including letting their kids have fun.
This crazy azz beotch made all the kids put their keys to all the 4-wheelers, dirt bikes and anything else fun into a box and lock them up.
Reason: They're ruining the environment!!!!!

Funny part was the other mom was horrified that this ladies kids didn't get to have any fun so she took them out 4-wheeling. Ha beotch now your kids are ruining the environment too.

This save the planet chet is getting WAY to far outta control. I see new Wilderness plates on cars around here everyday and when you see a big SUV with them you know they're just going along with the "greenie" fad.
Luckily all fads fade.
 
I got a kid on the way in february and i guess im gonna be the worst parent ever. I cant wait to teach my kid how to run throttle, burn fuel and pull wrenches. Oh I also work in the oil patch so that would be strike two. I dont know how many people on here have ever took a nice hike in one of our national parks where hiking is only permited, and seen the garbage left behind, well it makes me sick. I think motorized users are probably some of the most respectfull people out there. My 2 cents
 
I've got 3 kids...and two of them are old enough to ride the XC120 like mad men.

Last winter my daughter caught site out the corner of her eye of a doe headed for the same road we were on as we were zipping along through the trees up at Seeley by our cabin. She plowed on the brakes and when she stopped, she said "How long do we wait, Dad?"

Perfect. THAT is how they are supposed to think.
GREAT teachable moment. We had a little conversation, and were on our way after the doe crossed the road. Slowly. Walking. And NEVER ran the whole time.
 
That's what happens, when you don't have to work a real job, plenty of food on your table, and a roof over your head. You actually have time to invent a completely screwed up perspectives.

It's been proven that given a large number of people, they will segregate themselves by the way they look, the language they speak (or invent a new religion). Then when that's not enough they will invent other ways to identify "their" group. In the absence of religion, the environment conveniently becomes a belief that will allow you to belong to an every exclusive group, that think of themselves as elitist. Ever hear of a religion, that the followers of, thought was inferior?

Anyway, he is spouting "his group's" belief. He could just as well be talking about a prophet, of his chosen religion. [ Yha, I know I'm going to hell for all of this, but which hell. :) ]

Dude is clueless. Children raised by an idiot like this could turn into just about anything. But, screwed up, would be a good bet.
 
rotax, you nailed it with the "preserve" comment... the greenies want to "preserve" everything (like jelly, can it up and keep it just the way it was when they found it) without realizing that they just f'ed themselves by "preserving" the land. No access for motorized equipment? Have fun cutting a 4' down tree out of your way with a misery whip. Forest gets overgrown and suffers a massive bug infestation causing all the trees to die? Sorry can't help you, it's "preserved" we can't do anything about it. Fire starts? Sorry can't do anything about that either. So now your precious patch of forest is now a pile of crap, set back vegetatively to a state resembling what it was when dinosaurs roamed the earth and it will take 100's of years to get it back to the way they thought it should be. Oh well, they dug their own f'in grave, let 'em lie in it.
I keep hoping that someday these f-tards will start to see the errors of their ways, that wilderness is NOT the answer to the world's problems, that dirt bikes and snowmobiles aren't the bane of existence, and that if they'd just use a little common sense we could all play nice and get along. I don't see that happening any time soon though... too many f'in overzealous morons in the world that think they can solve the world's problems.
Okay... rant off.
 
Gee, and to think that I thought snowmobiling with childeren was all about teaching children respect for wildlife and the environment, having good family time together, keeping kids off drugs and out of gangs, and having a little fun to boot. :rolleyes:

EXACTLY
My wife and I ride and take the kids (now yound adults) riding as much as possible.
They have ridden for most of their lives.

I just can't seem to remember the "terrorize wildlife on two-stroke shenanigans" part.
What a bunch of crap. :mad:
 
One day I am planning on having kids.

If there is EVER ANYONE who tries to tell my kid(s) that they're evil, disgusting, or whatever because they like snowmobiling and ATV'ing they (or their parents) are going to get their ****ing teeth knocked out. It's that simple.

I think it's poor parenting that this guy's parents let him be completley brainwashed by the left-wing whackos in (OMG GO FIGURE!) Boulder, CO :rolleyes:

god I f*cking hate boulder. I wouldn't piss on that town to put out a fire.
 
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