Power Commander,SLP Pipe kit, BDX intake?
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They dont have a map for that intake, pm racinstation. I spoke with him a week ago or so and he was working on a map for the the timbersled intake, slp pipe set. He said it would be ready as soon as they got more snow to test it out...
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JasonAK
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SLP will only make maps for there name brand mods, intakes,ete.
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scarter
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I think the BDX intake probaly flows a little more air than the slp intake but I am betting that SLP's map for their set up will get you pretty close, then from there you could add a little more fuel on top maybe 5% or so. Then monitor EGT's or check plugs/wash and you should be fine. When you purchase the Power Commander you will recive the software with it. Building a map is really not that hard. You just add or take away a percentage of fuel the ECU is supplying. A good way to think about it is if the pipe gains you 10% more horse power you will need about 10% more fuel to support the extra horsepower. You can use this as a good starting point. If you are really curious about our software and how everything works you can download our PC V software from our website.
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Downloads/powercommander_v_downloads.aspx
Then download the PCV CD software, install it then you can download a map from our website to view as an example.
Or you could purchase an autotune unit and build your own map.
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Downloads/powercommander_v_downloads.aspx
Then download the PCV CD software, install it then you can download a map from our website to view as an example.
Or you could purchase an autotune unit and build your own map.
talked to slp at the snow show and they told me that because of demand they may possibly create a map. But there was no guaranty. It takes quite a bit of time to create these maps, Keep bothering them and it may happen.
I went ahead and installed the SLP air intake yesterday with my SLP setup. I called and bugged SLP again too about building a map for the BDX box but, they have so many projects they need to do that it certainly isn't close to being high on their list of things to do.
I have my BDX kit sitting next to my sled ready to go after I get a feel for how well the SLP air intake works.
That 8 lb weight savings I could have with the BDX box will eventually drive me to installing the BDX box with the SLP kit but, only after I have done some testing and have a good baseline on EGT numbers, piston wash and plug color.
I have my BDX kit sitting next to my sled ready to go after I get a feel for how well the SLP air intake works.
That 8 lb weight savings I could have with the BDX box will eventually drive me to installing the BDX box with the SLP kit but, only after I have done some testing and have a good baseline on EGT numbers, piston wash and plug color.
i talked to adam from slp yesterday at the novi show in michigan, in depth. he said they had no plans or time to test maps for other peoples products with their pipe set up. he was being truthful, and honest about their time available to test. he said slp was leaving it up to the other mfgs of those add on parts, to come up with set ups and maps. but their pc3 set up for porting worked great above 3000'. they would be testing it for lower elevation as time permits. similarly to what they did with the m8 pipe they started above, got the baseline, and then went lower and verified it would work there BEFORE releasing the ok to the public. he went on to say, you dont need the powercommander map they have developed UNLESS, you port the motor. without porting no fuel controler would be needed with their add ons.
he was very informative about everything i asked. when i talked about the pcV controler with auto tune. he explained these were designed for 4 stroke sleds and will work well with them but, could be death to a 2 stroke. in laymans terms he stated if you lean out a 4 stroke too far what happens? not much they get lazy on power. and in the same token what happens when you lean too hard on a 2 stroke? you get a burn down.
he had a great explanation on the above... the two strokes have the air fuel sensor, deto sensor, tps water temp ect to deal with. when any one of these are wrong, the sled corrects the ecu mapping. with the auto tune it goes off the air fuel sensor, if the sleds ecu is correcting the fuel curve for the above sensors, the auto tune pcV corrects too as it sees a difference, it might be needed might not. but what happens is the ecu and the pcV fight one another the whole time in a 2 stroke efi sled. he went on to say the technology is great but, hasnt came far enough ot work well with the 2 strokes YET.
was a great informative no bs conversation. it was great getting the info first hand. my main concern was the slp pipe at sea level. they did everything they could (except other peoples products) to the m8 sled they tested, to burn it down and couldnt. he said it was a well built motor and over fueled ecu that makes that happen.
put me at ease. i'll be getting their air box, their pipe set up, the secondary deflection tool, and steering hoop stiffener for my sled very shortly.
just thought i would update for those needing to know. ski
he was very informative about everything i asked. when i talked about the pcV controler with auto tune. he explained these were designed for 4 stroke sleds and will work well with them but, could be death to a 2 stroke. in laymans terms he stated if you lean out a 4 stroke too far what happens? not much they get lazy on power. and in the same token what happens when you lean too hard on a 2 stroke? you get a burn down.
he had a great explanation on the above... the two strokes have the air fuel sensor, deto sensor, tps water temp ect to deal with. when any one of these are wrong, the sled corrects the ecu mapping. with the auto tune it goes off the air fuel sensor, if the sleds ecu is correcting the fuel curve for the above sensors, the auto tune pcV corrects too as it sees a difference, it might be needed might not. but what happens is the ecu and the pcV fight one another the whole time in a 2 stroke efi sled. he went on to say the technology is great but, hasnt came far enough ot work well with the 2 strokes YET.
was a great informative no bs conversation. it was great getting the info first hand. my main concern was the slp pipe at sea level. they did everything they could (except other peoples products) to the m8 sled they tested, to burn it down and couldnt. he said it was a well built motor and over fueled ecu that makes that happen.
put me at ease. i'll be getting their air box, their pipe set up, the secondary deflection tool, and steering hoop stiffener for my sled very shortly.
just thought i would update for those needing to know. ski
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if you want to ride just toss the stock stuff back on , should be enough power for you
so why is it when ive been talking to slp lately they been telling me to hold out for pc5 and i have m1000 hell i already spent the 5hund for o2 with screen.
the m8 can run a pipe no controller not the m1000. the biggest proplem with the pc 5 is in the mid range before the pv's open. when closed the exhaust reaches very lean temps to meet emissions and when they add fuel to correct it the stock sensor just keeps cutting fuel from the stock map not letting them correct the extreme temps. What they need to do is move the stock sensor upstream into hotter temps which will cause the ecu to add fuel or install a sensor that tells the ecu its hotter than it really is.
Any more input on this from the tuning wizards? I was kind of on the fence waiting for the PC5, but if it not going to work, why wait? I have the oppertunity to pick up a PC111 for good price and cant wait forever. Application is an 09 Crossfire800 SLP full pipe, with port timing mods in the near future. Riding 0 - 2000ft.
i have 09 m1 with this setup and i talked to racinstation on here and he is making me maps for high elevation 8-10k and a map for low elevation 0-3k ft. sounded like he knew his stuff even had his clutching recommendations that he used instead of the slp clutching which seems like a good amount of people say needs work.
i think most of the thread is for m8's but i thought id chime in about racinstation. talk to Eric
i think most of the thread is for m8's but i thought id chime in about racinstation. talk to Eric
i told him i have. SLP pipe kit with BDX intake. he said he has fuel maps for it. I'm just waiting for him to load the programs onto the box. pretty pumped hopefully it works as well as this deal sounds!!!!
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Cascade Crud
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I talked to SLP last year and they told me I could run there exhaust, a bdx intake and reeds with no other mods, so long as i kept it above 3000 ft. I am running a boondocker box and for most of the rpm range I am actualy removing fuel. Midrange it runs super hot egt's putting up the trail it will peg 1200 and keep going til I lay on the throttle, then drops back off to 1000-1100, boondocking and hills it runs 900-1150 depending on throttle. plugs and pistons show no signs of rich or lean scoring/fouling. idk, for my $400 I dont think I would waste my money on a boondocker box unless you like tuning more than riding. I know, slightly off topic but just my experince with fuel controlers.
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mountain mafia
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I have an 09 M8 sno pro with a BDX intake and SLPs full exhaust. I ran it all last season (800 miles) with no fuel controller. I ride 6000 ft and above and never had any problems. I did run a gallon of race gas per tank just to be safe but I think this year I will just run it on pump 91. Runs great. SLP pipe is awesome for this sled. Intake loses a lot of weight. no complaints.
