Polaris issued a lawsuit against BRP for sled suspension patent infringement?

[Rich07Dragon700]

Copied my post on a different sight:
Did anyone else hear/read that Polaris has issued a law suit against BRP for sled suspension patent infringement? Because Polaris is not happy with BRP's lawsuit against Cat & threatening to do the same to Polaris, so then Polaris started a lawsuit against BRP???

Reply today from 03F7Patriot2:
YEAUUUUUUPPPPP!!!
Polaris Files Patent Lawsuit Against Ski-Doo Snowmobile
http://www.snowgoer.com/snowmobile-...-against-ski-doo-over-snowmobile-suspensions/
Figures Doo Sucks!

Also here
http://maxsled.com/snowmobile/polar...uit-against-bombardier-recreational-products/

And a few more places I missed for sure! I hope they win the lawsuit!

 

[0neoldfart]

Re: lawsuit

Copied my post on a different sight:
Did anyone else hear/read that Polaris has issued a law suit against BRP for sled suspension patent infringement? Because Polaris is not happy with BRP's lawsuit against Cat & threatening to do the same to Polaris, so then Polaris started a lawsuit against BRP???

Reply today from 03F7Patriot2:
YEAUUUUUUPPPPP!!!
Polaris Files Patent Lawsuit Against Ski-Doo Snowmobile
http://www.snowgoer.com/snowmobile-...-against-ski-doo-over-snowmobile-suspensions/
Figures Doo Sucks!

Also here
http://maxsled.com/snowmobile/polar...uit-against-bombardier-recreational-products/

And a few more places I missed for sure! I hope they win the lawsuit!

Patent infringement lawsuits are filed all the time between the sled manufacturers. Usually ends up in technology being shared. Careful what you wish for, you may find a skud motor in your poo as a result. How do you think Polaris ended up with PERC?

 

[volcano buster]

I think Polaris must have had something really good on SD. They said that if they didn't get PERC that SD would have to run the Poo 800 motors in their sleds. They said "heck no" and coughed it up. Ok, just guessing.

 

[Pro-8250]

They all steal from each other. Nature of the business I guess.

I had heard here in Minnesota that the PERC was a trade off for front suspension design. But what do I know.

Hopefully we the consumers come out on top.

 

[Reg2view]

They steal from others, too. Ask Poo/Fuji about the $42mil they had to pay to Injection Research in the 90's for absconding with an early EFI design. ACAT was sued by them, also. Business and intellectual property is purposefully grey, not black and white, with limited protection in scope and duration. That encourages innovation. It's up to the courts and lawyers to determine what is a derivative work from someone else's designs. Just the way it is. We are just customers.

 

[Goin For Snow]

what happened to the BRP vs Cat suit this spring? hope they give them our POS clutches.

They sue each other then trade off ideas in settlement. We will all be riding the same sled in time.

 

[IdahoPowderHound]

Electronic reverse (PERC) was a trade for the early Direct injection that polaris first designed in its watercraft back in the late 90's. So for all you Doo fans out there bragging your Direct injection up.... it was our idea first. Copywright infrigement lawsiuts are an every day ordeal.... but usually it is more beneficial for both parties to trade or share a comon interest in return instead of suing for money....

 

[Dartos]

Do we know what the infringement is?

 

[Dirty Steve]

Patent infringement lawsuits are filed all the time between the sled manufacturers. Usually ends up in technology being shared. Careful what you wish for, you may find a skud motor in your poo as a result. How do you think Polaris ended up with PERC?

That would be the best thing to happen to these sleds.

 

[AKrider]

My understanding it was for Doo trying to use variable caster. I rode an XP last month and thought Doo needs it as the sled was twitchy compared to my Polaris sleds. I can see where they'd want to copy it.

 

[4Z]

Electronic reverse (PERC) was a trade for the early Direct injection that polaris first designed in its watercraft back in the late 90's. So for all you Doo fans out there bragging your Direct injection up.... it was our idea first..

I thought the Germans made the DI for Doo

 

[tukernater]

Electronic reverse (PERC) was a trade for the early Direct injection that polaris first designed in its watercraft back in the late 90's. So for all you Doo fans out there bragging your Direct injection up.... it was our idea first. Copywright infrigement lawsiuts are an every day ordeal.... but usually it is more beneficial for both parties to trade or share a comon interest in return instead of suing for money....

I agree on sharing ,but not sure about the fueling? DI came from evenrude.Polaris biggest down fall is there fueling?No Yes?

 

[bigchevrolet]

I'm not certain but I believe the infringement pertained to the rmotion skid. Even though it does not appear the same I believe engineered mounting locations and modes of operation are very very similar in design to a rush chassis as pertaining to a rising rate rear skid...not positive but I think this is the problem

 

[friscospices.com]

NASA help fund BRP/Evinrude for the E-tec technology. Part of the agreement was to allow them to use the technology in there own products. So essentially US tax payers and US companies help fund it. I wonder who has the patent on the technology BRP or NASA?

 

[gman086]

NASA help fund BRP/Evinrude for the E-tec technology. Part of the agreement was to allow them to use the technology in there own products. So essentially US tax payers and US companies help fund it. I wonder who has the patent on the technology BRP or NASA?

It was the AUSSIES at Orbital Engine with the technology that Evinrude licensed to eventually come up with what is now E-tec technology for BRP. So much for American ingenuity eh? LOL!

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[AgentRmk]

Orbital Engine technology (Opti Max) (Ausssie design) was bought by Mercury Marine.
Fitch (E-Tec) technology (German design ) was bought by OMC-Evinrude/Johnson.
Polaris watercraft HAD Fitch injection on them. All went south when OMC went bankrupt and BRP bought OMC - outboard stuff. I/O stuff went to Volvo Penta.

 

[friscospices.com]

Yep the NASA help was with the alloy of metal used in the e-tec rotax engine.

 

[clamlake600]

Electronic reverse (PERC) was a trade for the early Direct injection that polaris first designed in its watercraft back in the late 90's. So for all you Doo fans out there bragging your Direct injection up.... it was our idea first. Copywright infrigement lawsiuts are an every day ordeal.... but usually it is more beneficial for both parties to trade or share a comon interest in return instead of suing for money....

Actually evinrude came up with the tech. Polaris and kawasaki used ficht fuel injection. Seadoo used orbital tech from down under, Australia. Then seadoo bought evinrude and OMC. Pwc were using our tech 15+ years ago...

 

[Reg2view]

Poo has never come up with an original DI design. And as stated previously, they got their collective butts handed to them for stealing Injection Research's EFI designs for the old RXL. CFI was a 4 injector copy of SDI without the injector overlap that doo had patented. The PERC came from a trade with doo for rear suspension coupling design. That's what I recall, and I was working in the OEM biz back in those days.

 

[AK IQ Pilot]

Poo has never come up with an original DI design. And as stated previously, they got their collective butts handed to them for stealing Injection Research's EFI designs for the old RXL. CFI was a 4 injector copy of SDI without the injector overlap that doo had patented. The PERC came from a trade with doo for rear suspension coupling design. That's what I recall, and I was working in the OEM biz back in those days.

Most accurate post in this thread.