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PCV and AutoTune...FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm on my 3rd Bosch sensor in 4 years. While leaded fuel will send them south I think the real enemy is moisture and cold start up. I built a guard around where my exhaust dumps into the tunnel to help keep the snow out and it seems to have helped make the sensors last better. If they get wet and you fire up the sled in the morning it cracks the ceramic inside the sensor if there's moisture in the tip. I also think the heated trailer at night helps prolong them, but bottom line is I expect to cook 1 sensor a year.

M5
 
it already has the ability to add an additional analog function....keep in mind, your basic AEM is using virtually the same AFR probe (Bosch) as the PCv is using...So, if you have issues today, your going to have issues tomorrow...

So, the argument that it is useless because of the failure of the AFR probe...well all boosted machines are equally impacted by that...So, whether autotune or not, you have the leaded fuel issue...

Perfect ! sounds like a great set up then. if you see you're A/f gauge is off then you re box isn't working . So i could plug in my old Pl box ride the day and change my sensor at the end of the day , right ?
My A/F sensor goes out the door if i trench down my sled and roll it to get it unstuck . M5 is right i think its not the leaded fuel its the moisture that takes them out . Bosch also makes a far better quality sensor than NGK
 
Perfect ! sounds like a great set up then. if you see you're A/f gauge is off then you re box isn't working . So i could plug in my old Pl box ride the day and change my sensor at the end of the day , right ?
My A/F sensor goes out the door if i trench down my sled and roll it to get it unstuck . M5 is right i think its not the leaded fuel its the moisture that takes them out . Bosch also makes a far better quality sensor than NGK

No, it is easier than that....Here is a snap shot of the LCD screen...you will see a map indicator there...all you do is touch that, and select a stock map, and your golden...end of issue, of course that predicates you buy the LCD screen ($200 on ebay) but well worth it in my humble opinion

See bottom row, it shows the Throttle Position (TP) then Fuel (-49) then Map (25) that is the map # that you are using for this ride...can be changed in about 3 clicks...so, want to take Autotune off, change maps...that easy...

lcd_200_coming_soon.jpg
 
thats pretty awsome . not sure where a guy would mount it though kinds seems easyer to carry my pl box seeing as id have a spare any ways . looks like a really cool option for a guy gettin a new turbo kit though and doesnt have any gauges . does it do A/F ratio on the lcd as well ?
Also whats a full set up worth to buy and have mapped ?
This seems like a great way to bring my old impulse kit up todate with out alot of work :beer;
 
testHere is a couple of emails, dont know if it answers all the questions.


There will be instructions on the install guide on where to mount the modules.

This does not have any type of gauges or display available, yet. We will develop a touch screen LCD in the future. All of the info can be viewed and adjusted on your Windows based computer via a usb cable.

The auto-tune kit comes with the o2 sensor.

You may be able to purchase this as a package deal, but that would be between you and your dealer. The prices I quoted earlier are our suggested prices. If you purchased direct from me, that would be the price you would pay.

This is going to be developed and listed for the 2009 model. So if there isn't any difference than a 2008, then there is no reason it shouldn't work.

Once the sled is tuned you can remove the auto-tune kit and use the map it has developed.

Sometimes the sensors go out like a light bulb. In this case the auto-tune would stop making fuel changes and use the ones it has already made.

In some cases the o2 sensor fades out. It starts showing leaner and leaner than actual fuel mixture. In this case the auto-tune would make unneccesary fuel increases and the bike could go overly rich.

I would suggest removing the auto-tune kit once it is making very little or no fuel changes at all.


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To: Chris Kelly
Subject: RE: Power Commander Customer Inquiry -- Sales


Does this include a mounting system? Display? Logging? Afr/o2? What else is needed to have a complete kit? Also what is the cost? Is there a package deal for the complete setup?



Will this work on an 08 nytro-MCX.

What happens when the 02 sensor fails is there a way to lock in generated maps? Set to original programming etc


The PCV has a suggested retail value of $359.95 and the auto-tune kit is suggested at $249.
 
No, it is easier than that....Here is a snap shot of the LCD screen...you will see a map indicator there...all you do is touch that, and select a stock map, and your golden...end of issue, of course that predicates you buy the LCD screen ($200 on ebay) but well worth it in my humble opinion

See bottom row, it shows the Throttle Position (TP) then Fuel (-49) then Map (25) that is the map # that you are using for this ride...can be changed in about 3 clicks...so, want to take Autotune off, change maps...that easy...

lcd_200_coming_soon.jpg



I havent found any information that the old LCD with pc3 will work with PC5. It looks like they are developing a different screen?
 
last email.

The LCD will show you everything live on the dash as well as record all data. It's suggested retail value is projected to be $300.

The computer software will show you the fuel changes the auto-tune has made during your riding sessions.

If you would like to drive an AFR gauge as well as auto-tune, you can do that with the WB2 (Wideband 2.) You would need to buy a WB2, your desired gauge, and communication links (cable & termination plug) for it to your PCV.
 
i called power commander this week . All I could get out of talking to several people is that they are clueless when it comes to sleds , espessaly boosted ones . i hope a reputalble turbo builder/tuner gets a hold of this product too see how it works :D
 
Well I know Allen at Ulmer Racing(srxspec) is probably up to his elbows in the PC V and will more than likely have it ready for this season.
 
Auto tune and PCV

This sounds like great progress but what about those of us who don't have the coin for boost? How does this benefit our sleds with the Ulmer tune up? (pipe, air box,header,ignition advance)
Does this mean it keeps the sled in the perfect A/F ratio creating consistent H.P. gains with our add ons? Trying to make sense of this for the poor guy....LOL.
 
This sounds like great progress but what about those of us who don't have the coin for boost? How does this benefit our sleds with the Ulmer tune up? (pipe, air box,header,ignition advance)
Does this mean it keeps the sled in the perfect A/F ratio creating consistent H.P. gains with our add ons? Trying to make sense of this for the poor guy....LOL.

that is correct...consistent AF regardless of altitude...
 
This sounds like great progress but what about those of us who don't have the coin for boost? How does this benefit our sleds with the Ulmer tune up? (pipe, air box,header,ignition advance)
Does this mean it keeps the sled in the perfect A/F ratio creating consistent H.P. gains with our add ons? Trying to make sense of this for the poor guy....LOL.

Theoretically that is what EFI does but in stock they leave alot on the table, hence the piggy back to the fuel control.
 
poor mans H.P.

Theoretically that is what EFI does but in stock they leave alot on the table, hence the piggy back to the fuel control.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, this should increase the fuel to meet the demand of more air,(K&N filters,air box etc. ) and or remove it in certain conditions? This should do the same as Ulmers current manual controled PC and ignition module with custom maps (timing advance) and give the increase in H.P......correct?
 
yes, but...the manual PCIII is exactly that...manual...you will have to ask him abotu the timing advance, there has been some discussion on that...but it also, might take some fuel away in areas is might not need it...

one cool fucntion on teh tracking is taht it keeps record (if in data logging mode) of what it is doing at what time, (adding or deleting fuel) so taht you can run off a standard map if for some reason your PCV dies or your AF probe dies...
 
I'm on my 3rd Bosch sensor in 4 years. While leaded fuel will send them south I think the real enemy is moisture and cold start up. I built a guard around where my exhaust dumps into the tunnel to help keep the snow out and it seems to have helped make the sensors last better. If they get wet and you fire up the sled in the morning it cracks the ceramic inside the sensor if there's moisture in the tip. I also think the heated trailer at night helps prolong them, but bottom line is I expect to cook 1 sensor a year.

M5

Guys this might be a stupid question but is this sensor in question actually called an Intake Air Temperature Sensor and is it easy to change on the mountain?

INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR
1.Remove the intake air temperature sensor.
CAUTION:
Handle the intake air temperature sensor with
special care. Never subject it to shock or allow
it to be dropped. If it is dropped, it must be
replaced.
2.Connect:
• Pocket tester
(to the intake air temperature sensor)
NOTE:
Set the tester selector to the “Ω × 100” position.
3. Immerse the intake air temperature sensor 1 in
water 2 and check the intake temperature sensor
operation.
3 Thermometer
4. If the intake air temperature sensor operation is
defective, replace it.
5. Install the intake air temperature sensor.
 
No they are talking about a Air/fuel sensor that is in the exhaust. It is not a stock component.
 
So could the maps from the PC III be used with the PCV since there is an extra throttle position (10) compared to nine? My current box went south and don't want to buy the III and be upgrading later to the V.
 
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