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OregonWild is threatening Wilderness - Crescent Lake to Lake of the Woods

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Oregongirl

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You may have seen news stories about Crater Lake and the proposed helicopter tour company recently. It seems that the environmentalists are planning to use this as leverage to propose new Wilderness in the Central Oregon Cascades. SnoWest has selected Diamond Lake as one of the premier sledding locations in the West over and over again. While a map has not been provided, it does appear that their proposed area will include all the land south of Crescent Lake, including Diamond Lake, all the way south into the Lake of the Woods areas.

Please stay alert on this issue. This could generate into the largest land-use fight that Oregon has seen in recent years. Letters to Senator Wyden to oppose any new Wilderness designations are encouraged.

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090807/NEWS/908070329/-1/NEWSMAP

Wilderness proposed to fend off Crater Lake encroachment
August 07, 2009

By Paul Fattig
Mail Tribune
Several environmental groups are proposing a new wilderness area blanketing Crater Lake National Park and stretching some 75 miles from Crescent Lake south to Highway 140 at Fish Lake.

The proposed Crater Lake Wilderness, covering some 450,000 acres, would ensure the "quiet beauty" of Crater Lake would be protected, and thwart an effort by a Bend firm to offer helicopter tours around the lake, said Erik Fernandez, wilderness coordinator for Portland-based Oregon Wild.

The proposed area, which would include the park and embrace the Sky Lakes Wilderness, Rogue-Umpqua Divide Wilderness and the Mount Thielsen Wilderness, would create more wilderness connectivity, Fernandez said when announcing the proposal Thursday.

"When we look at Oregon, we think of ourselves as a green state, but only 4 percent is protected as wilderness and only one national park," Fernandez said. "We have a responsibility to future generations to do better.

"This would not include roads, the lodge or other developed areas — just the backcountry up there," he added.

While last month's news of a proposal by Leading Edge Aviation in Bend to offer helicopter tour flights over Crater Lake helped spark the wilderness proposal, other factors, including a planned logging operation in the Umpqua National Forest near the park boundary, heated up the effort, he said.

Travis Warthen, vice president of Leading Edge, said establishing the entire area as a wilderness would make it easier for the company to fly around Crater Lake.

"In a wilderness area, we can fly helicopters all day long," he said. "We have a request to stay above 2,000 feet above wilderness areas, but that's about it. With our proposal, once the facts come out, we'll be a compatible use for the lake.

Fernandez countered that while flights over wilderness areas are generally restricted to 2,000 feet above the ground, Congress, which "officially" creates wilderness areas, could require flights to stay higher in any new wilderness legislation or simply ban them outright. Exceptions could be made for administrative or emergency flights, he added.

"Crater Lake, Mount Thielsen, Mount Bailey and the headwaters to Rogue and Umpqua Rivers surrounding the park are the crown jewels of the southern Cascades," Fernandez said. "We owe it to our children and grandchildren to protect the wildlands around these areas forever as a haven for Oregonians who seek natural beauty, freedom and opportunities for quiet recreation."

Joining Oregon Wild in the proposal is Umpqua Watersheds and the Crater Lake Institute, a group dedicated to protecting Crater Lake. The groups sent a letter to the National Park Service and the FAA on Thursday advising them that helicopter tours of the park could be illegal under several federal laws.

They had also requested that U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, introduce legislation to create the new wilderness. Wyden announced his opposition to helicopter tours over the park during a Senate hearing late last month to discuss the future of the park service with Jonathan Jarvis, a longtime park service employee who is the nominee to head the agency.

Neither Wyden nor a spokesman for the park could be reached to comment on the proposal late Thursday afternoon.

The aviation firm submitted an application to the Federal Aviation Administration in June for a permit to fly over the park. The application seeks approval for as many as 300 flights a year. Aircraft would have to remain at least 1,500 feet above the ground and none could operate inside the caldera, according to the firm.

An FAA representative told The Associated Press that it would take "several years" to consider the application because of the backlog of applications at other national parks. However, the firm has requested an interim permit.

With a depth of nearly 2,000 feet, Crater Lake is the nation's deepest lake. It filled after the peak known as Mount Mazama exploded some 7,700 years ago, leaving a deep caldera.

For more information, visit the Web site at www.oregonwild.org and www.leadingedgeavn.com.

Reach reporter Paul Fattig at 776-4496 or e-mail him at pfattig@mailtribune.com.
 
They should fly those tree huggin b@stards over the geirhart wilderness north of Bly and see how thousands of acres of dead trees look. The government has done a fine job of managing that area.:mad::mad::mad:
 
USFS meeting 8-18-09 Ross Raglang K.Falls

This meeting is a open public forum to disscuss the new wilderness proposal from cresent lake south to fish lake if you like snowmobiling ,hunting, or any motorsports you should be there 4:00 pm 8-18-09 admission is free help protect our sport show up please !
 
This meeting is a open public forum to disscuss the new wilderness proposal from cresent lake south to fish lake if you like snowmobiling ,hunting, or any motorsports you should be there 4:00 pm 8-18-09 admission is free help protect our sport show up please !

How about some warning next time. 4 hours is a bit short, I'm stuck in Bend.
 
I'm surprised SAWS didn't send me anything. I guess I'm going to have to up my donation. Did you have a chance to attend?
 
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I was fortunate enough to attend the Fremont-Winema Forest meeting at the Ross Ragland. If you like to ATV in the forest, starting April 1st 2010, there will unfortunately be some roads that you can no longer ATV on. Although this is bad news, the good news is that it does not effect snowmobiling. It has nothing to do with "snow vehicles," and only those that "leave a mark" on the land.

However, I got some info today on this new ordeal about expanding the Wilderness area around Crater Lake. I'm not sure if you fellas have seen the proposed area they want to add, but holy sh!t. If you ride anywhere from Lake of the Woods to Diamond Lake, ITS GONNA EFFECT YOU!!!! Looked to me like Annie Creek, Thousand Springs, and the ENTIRE Diamond Lake area, is proposed to be added to the Wilderness area. I'm not sure how true this is, but I hear that it has been sent to the Senate for further review. I was also told the the President of the SnowDrifters (Bruce Cullen) has more info on this. If there is truth to any of this, it could suck big-time! I would not put it past the damn environmentalists with the current administration to try and shove proposals like this through government. I'm sick of this sh!t and plan to write my wonderful democratic senators!
 
They should fly those tree huggin b@stards over the geirhart wilderness north of Bly and see how thousands of acres of dead trees look. The government has done a fine job of managing that area.:mad::mad::mad:


Props to you 2dabar! They need to light that damn place on fire! The sooner it goes up in smoke, the sooner it can start to re-grow. Sad part is, the forest service employees that I deliver to everyday, absolutely agree with this idea. However, the law and government says no.

So, in the meantime, we can sit and wait while watching an awesome resource and play area be wasted. What a shame! Government and environmentalists sucks @ss!!
 
I talked to another guy that attended besides Sheerider. He said the turnout wasn't bad. Typically the forest service that was there said the decisions that are being made are way over their head. He also said he got the feeling that the forest service was totally in favor of the new road restrictions. Less people in the woods means less for them to do. What a bunch of B.S. Reminds me of why I stopped attending my union meetings years ago. :mad:
 
Never ends!

Winter Wildlands Alliance is a small whiney group that is really good at twisting facts, and complaining over nothing. The bad part is, they get results.
What if we were to become even more whiney and selfish than them?
How do we get them on the defense for a change?
Should we propose that existing, and new wilderness areas they "create" have NO access, even to skiers? Do we propose that more areas are open to snowmobiles?
What can be done to turn the tables???
What irritates me the most is the lack of "back country skiers" in the back country. I think they just like the romance of the title...
I enjoy snomobile access to wilderness areas for back country skiing, and have not once in the last 3 years seen ANYBODY in the 3 sisters wilderness area skiing. Now they want Tumalo to be a "winter wilderness area". Cool huh, a highway and a ski resort right on top of "wilderness".
These guys scare me. They have it down, closing just a "little" bit at a time, a snow park here, half a hill there, it all adds up.
 
Hey Indeep - send me a pm with your email address so I can confirm you are in our database. The original article in this post WAS sent to Oregon SAWS members. We did not send anything out about the meeting, because we did not know it was happening.
 
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