Has anyone used No Smoke Two Stroke oil? If so, is it good, bad? opinions please. Thanks in advance.
Off brand two stroke oil
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What is it rated?
If its a Tcw3 oil, then its fine. It couldn't be any worse than the walmart oil that works just fine.
Here is what it says...synthetic no smoke two stroke snowmobile oil with fuel stabilizer. smokeless 2-stroke oil for oil injector systems. meets or exceeds oem and industry tests and specifiacations: ISO-L-EGD, JASO-FD and APITC. nothing about TCW-3. New it is about $15.00 a gallon and it is made in the USA, ALCO - American Lubricating Co. I have been running Injex for yrs with no issues except smell, thought id try something new. Thanks again.
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JasonAK
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If it meets the API TC and ISO-L-EGD then it should exceed TWW3. They usualy have it on the bottle though.....
Jason
Who sells it?
ISO-L-EGC which is similar to the JASO FC rating.
The ISO-L-EGD+ was created to establish a higher standard of detergency and ability to withstand higher levels of heat. The new test runs for 3 hours vs 1 hour for the previous test.
If a lubricant is certified ISO-L-EGD+ it has passed the most stringent tests set by American, Japanese and European engine manufacturers. Polaris recommends TC-W3 lubricants, Yamaha JASO FC and Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo requires ISO-L-EDG+ lubricants.
None of the three North American snowmobile manufacturers specify use of TC-W3 oil in their owner’s manuals. Bombardier pointedly tells its customers not to use it, recommending API-TC rated oil instead.
Until recently, the top JASO oil rating was FC, and you will continue to see this listed in many places. But the tougher FD rating is now available, and some companies upgraded their products. The JASO-FC standard is also important because it includes a test to specifically measure exhaust smoke. So JASO-FC and the subsequent FD test is the key for visible exhaust emissions.
ISO-L-EGD is the top European two-stroke standard, with EGC and EGB as lower performance levels. A plus sign after the letters (EGD+) means that the rating is significantly exceeded.
Use the oil ratings as a guide, compare costs and availability, and try to stay with one product if possible. Availability becomes a factor for many of us; if you can’t carry enough with you, run something that you can find readily where you ride to fill the gaps.
Plain old TCW-3 won’t cut it in many of the higher-tech engines. Look for JASO-FC (and now FD) and ISO EGD ratings as indicators of a minimum performance standard for the newest, trickest engines. Mod packages may require extra quality and or quantity to provide adequate lubrication; consult with the engine builder or package supplier on what their experience has been.
ISO EGD is the “European” specification that slightly exceeds the “Japanese” JASO-FC. There is a new JASO-FD spec, as the ISO and JASO testing sequences have come closer together with the latest ‘FD’ and ‘EGD’ designations. Previously, the only difference was a 1 hour and 3 hour detergency - lubricity - ring groove - sticking test with JASO-FC and ISO-EGD respectively. Now, they are the same set of tests.
Maxima TundraR, a synthetic blend that is pretty clean burning, ISO EGD
Amsoil Interceptor & Dominator Both are rated JASO FC, API TC
Klotz Snowmobile Techniplate- TCW-3
Spectro that is also ISO EGD rated
Blue Marble claims to be ISO EGD rated
ARCTIC BLUE™ Synthetic Blend is qualified internationally: Exceeds API TC or TSC-3 in North America. Exceeds Japanese Automobile Standard Organization new JASO specification "FC". Meets or exceeds performance requirements of International Standards Organization new ISO Global Specifications "GC" (ISO-L-EGC) and "GD"
(ISO-L-EGD).
Torco Exceeds JASO-FC / ISO-L-EGD / API-TC
Shell Advance Snow Ultra High Performance Synthetic Snowmobile Oil ISO-EGD and the JASO FC standard.
Maxima Lubricants Super-M Injector Oil Exceeds BIA/TC-W, JASO-FC, ISO-E-GD & API-TC specifications
Legend ZX-2R exceeds NMMA (formerly BIA) TCW3, ISO-L-EGB and JASO FB specifications. ZX-2R is a mineral based, synthetically infused blend of superior chemical components designed to outperform the most expensive synthetics.
Legend ZX-2SR exceeds API TC, ISO-L-EGD and JASO FC+ specifications. ZX-2SR is a blend of the finest mineral base stocks “chemically infused” with nano-molecular additive technology.
Royal Purple-TCW-III
Citgo SuperGard Sea and Snow. Citgo is Venezuela’s oil company run by Hugo Chavez. The synthetic blend formula meets or exceeds the rigorous requirements of the API TC, JASO FC and ISO EGD classifications for 2-cycle air-cooled engine oils and also exceeds the performance requirements for JASO FA, JASO FB, ISO-L-EGB, and ISO-L-EGC. The JASO FC Certification Number is 001 CGO 535. SUPERGARD Sea and Snow is formulated primarily for use in snowmobiles and personal watercraft.
Redline SyntheticTwo-Stroke Snowmobile - is not rated. Test results state that it can be used where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD, or API TC lubricants are recommended, but is not designed for outboard use..
Arctic Cat 50:1 Injection Oil - Arctic Cat does not rate their oil. Arctic Cat runs a number of motors at different rpm's on the emission dyno's and sleds in the field for hundreds of hours. So Arctic Cat does their own testing with Suzuki.
Phillips 66® Injex - TC-W3® certified by the National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA), and also meets API TC and JASO FB
Yamalube Land (Red box with “2-S” on it) - STANDARDS: API TC – TSC 3 JASO FC, ISO-L-EGD Approval No: M081 YMC 525
Castrol SNOW 2T SNOWMOBILE OIL - API TC or NMMA TC-W3®
No Smoke Two Stroke oil made by made in the USA, ALCO - American Lubricating Co - ISO-L-EGD, JASO-FD and APITC
The ISO-L-EGD+ was created to establish a higher standard of detergency and ability to withstand higher levels of heat. The new test runs for 3 hours vs 1 hour for the previous test.
If a lubricant is certified ISO-L-EGD+ it has passed the most stringent tests set by American, Japanese and European engine manufacturers. Polaris recommends TC-W3 lubricants, Yamaha JASO FC and Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo requires ISO-L-EDG+ lubricants.
None of the three North American snowmobile manufacturers specify use of TC-W3 oil in their owner’s manuals. Bombardier pointedly tells its customers not to use it, recommending API-TC rated oil instead.
Until recently, the top JASO oil rating was FC, and you will continue to see this listed in many places. But the tougher FD rating is now available, and some companies upgraded their products. The JASO-FC standard is also important because it includes a test to specifically measure exhaust smoke. So JASO-FC and the subsequent FD test is the key for visible exhaust emissions.
ISO-L-EGD is the top European two-stroke standard, with EGC and EGB as lower performance levels. A plus sign after the letters (EGD+) means that the rating is significantly exceeded.
Use the oil ratings as a guide, compare costs and availability, and try to stay with one product if possible. Availability becomes a factor for many of us; if you can’t carry enough with you, run something that you can find readily where you ride to fill the gaps.
Plain old TCW-3 won’t cut it in many of the higher-tech engines. Look for JASO-FC (and now FD) and ISO EGD ratings as indicators of a minimum performance standard for the newest, trickest engines. Mod packages may require extra quality and or quantity to provide adequate lubrication; consult with the engine builder or package supplier on what their experience has been.
ISO EGD is the “European” specification that slightly exceeds the “Japanese” JASO-FC. There is a new JASO-FD spec, as the ISO and JASO testing sequences have come closer together with the latest ‘FD’ and ‘EGD’ designations. Previously, the only difference was a 1 hour and 3 hour detergency - lubricity - ring groove - sticking test with JASO-FC and ISO-EGD respectively. Now, they are the same set of tests.
Maxima TundraR, a synthetic blend that is pretty clean burning, ISO EGD
Amsoil Interceptor & Dominator Both are rated JASO FC, API TC
Klotz Snowmobile Techniplate- TCW-3
Spectro that is also ISO EGD rated
Blue Marble claims to be ISO EGD rated
ARCTIC BLUE™ Synthetic Blend is qualified internationally: Exceeds API TC or TSC-3 in North America. Exceeds Japanese Automobile Standard Organization new JASO specification "FC". Meets or exceeds performance requirements of International Standards Organization new ISO Global Specifications "GC" (ISO-L-EGC) and "GD"
(ISO-L-EGD).
Torco Exceeds JASO-FC / ISO-L-EGD / API-TC
Shell Advance Snow Ultra High Performance Synthetic Snowmobile Oil ISO-EGD and the JASO FC standard.
Maxima Lubricants Super-M Injector Oil Exceeds BIA/TC-W, JASO-FC, ISO-E-GD & API-TC specifications
Legend ZX-2R exceeds NMMA (formerly BIA) TCW3, ISO-L-EGB and JASO FB specifications. ZX-2R is a mineral based, synthetically infused blend of superior chemical components designed to outperform the most expensive synthetics.
Legend ZX-2SR exceeds API TC, ISO-L-EGD and JASO FC+ specifications. ZX-2SR is a blend of the finest mineral base stocks “chemically infused” with nano-molecular additive technology.
Royal Purple-TCW-III
Citgo SuperGard Sea and Snow. Citgo is Venezuela’s oil company run by Hugo Chavez. The synthetic blend formula meets or exceeds the rigorous requirements of the API TC, JASO FC and ISO EGD classifications for 2-cycle air-cooled engine oils and also exceeds the performance requirements for JASO FA, JASO FB, ISO-L-EGB, and ISO-L-EGC. The JASO FC Certification Number is 001 CGO 535. SUPERGARD Sea and Snow is formulated primarily for use in snowmobiles and personal watercraft.
Redline SyntheticTwo-Stroke Snowmobile - is not rated. Test results state that it can be used where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD, or API TC lubricants are recommended, but is not designed for outboard use..
Arctic Cat 50:1 Injection Oil - Arctic Cat does not rate their oil. Arctic Cat runs a number of motors at different rpm's on the emission dyno's and sleds in the field for hundreds of hours. So Arctic Cat does their own testing with Suzuki.
Phillips 66® Injex - TC-W3® certified by the National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA), and also meets API TC and JASO FB
Yamalube Land (Red box with “2-S” on it) - STANDARDS: API TC – TSC 3 JASO FC, ISO-L-EGD Approval No: M081 YMC 525
Castrol SNOW 2T SNOWMOBILE OIL - API TC or NMMA TC-W3®
No Smoke Two Stroke oil made by made in the USA, ALCO - American Lubricating Co - ISO-L-EGD, JASO-FD and APITC
Blain, thanks for the great info. was just what I was hoping someone would post!
Beels, I found this at a farm supply store called L&M Fleet. This is not to be confused with Mills Fleet Farm. Each store has a few locations around MN, don't know about other states or Provinces.
ALCO - American Lubricating Co. Memphis, TN 38101. Maybe this will help you find other outlets? Thanks again!
Beels, I found this at a farm supply store called L&M Fleet. This is not to be confused with Mills Fleet Farm. Each store has a few locations around MN, don't know about other states or Provinces.
ALCO - American Lubricating Co. Memphis, TN 38101. Maybe this will help you find other outlets? Thanks again!
what a super post!
I have been using the CITGO stuff and it works great.
I have been using the CITGO stuff and it works great.
meets or exceeds the ratings does not necessarily mean that it is certified.amsoil says recommended but it is not certified to meet those standards. just consider it when making choice. saving a few bucks on oil now may cost you a lot more later.
Use the best oil
As far as I can tell AMSOIL Interceptor full syn. is the 'cat's meeow". It's the best and then also our club buys the next AMSOIL down, still full synthetic but the blue colored stuff. The guys here in the Bitterroot use it on the custon shop custom builds and the Polaris guys sell Interceptor as their bulk oil. I run Amsoil in all my vehicles, Harley, trannis, Cummins, car, other P/U, lawn mower, differentials, gear boxes on the tractor impliments .................. extended interval changes (once per yr) and never a problem. No, it ain't cheap, but it's the best. Makes Mobil 1 products look like slough water.
Dennis
As far as I can tell AMSOIL Interceptor full syn. is the 'cat's meeow". It's the best and then also our club buys the next AMSOIL down, still full synthetic but the blue colored stuff. The guys here in the Bitterroot use it on the custon shop custom builds and the Polaris guys sell Interceptor as their bulk oil. I run Amsoil in all my vehicles, Harley, trannis, Cummins, car, other P/U, lawn mower, differentials, gear boxes on the tractor impliments .................. extended interval changes (once per yr) and never a problem. No, it ain't cheap, but it's the best. Makes Mobil 1 products look like slough water.
Dennis
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olymon
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I've been using Mag1 marine oil for about 3 years. $13 a gallon at the local fleet farm style of store. Doesn't smell too bad. It's a TC-W3 oil and it says it meets API TC and JASO FB sapecifications. I've had no problems with it, but then again, I'm running some older sleds, nothing new.
For an older kid sled it is one thing but is it really worth saving $10 on an $7k-$20k sled?
Over a season you might save $60.
Over a season you might save $60.
Im running castrol -snow 2t premix in 2 of my sleds. One is carls 910 no problems with it one bit. Plus it make Indy Dan the engine man very happy ! Two more sleds left to get changed over to premix and i will be happy. 32.1 Is what i mix. Always put some oil in the tank also in the 09 dragon for safety sake. It gets the spendy over rated polaris oil.
