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Nytro front end question

Mountainblue

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I have a 2008 MTX Nytro that when you ride in crusty snow it does the zig zag like the early Ski Doos Revs did. They put on the pilot skis that I think may have helped.
I what to fix this problem as it threw me off the sled and I now have a broken back. I would like to know what needs to be done to help prevent this Shocks, Skis, etc. Require help for next year.
Welcome your comments. Thanks:confused:
 
The Nytro has 1 mile on it that is all. The suspension is in the stock positions as it came from Yamaha. The snow here when I took it out for a quick ride before heading to Valemount BC. Lets say I did not make the trip. Next year.
 
Skis will definitely help, but the stock front suspension has it's limitations for trail riding. With the front end weight of the Nytro the sled could actually stand to have about a 1-2" higher ride height in the front end. This would help to alleviate some of the unpredictable handling characteristics of the front end on trails and whooped out sections. It cannot be accomplished by putting a longer shock up front, as this would take away droop travel in the suspension...which is already somewhat limited by the position of the lower a-arm in relation to the front sub-frame. It could be corrected by either a longer spindle or offset a-arms. It looks as though the new front end kit from Zbros Racing does this, but I haven't measured them up or saw one in person...so I can't say for sure!
 
get a set of dual carbides for you stock skis . not as good on the trail as my gen 2s but much better than single carbides on stock skis . last week we had 3 nytros and 3 diffrent ski set ups and switched them around to diffrent sleds . the results were the same on all the sled. stock skis with dual carbides rocked! gen 2s were sweet in the deep and the stock set up was good but darted . the only thing on the nytros that was the same was we all had some type of fox floats on the front
 
The Nytro has 1 mile on it that is all. The suspension is in the stock positions as it came from Yamaha. The snow here when I took it out for a quick ride before heading to Valemount BC. Lets say I did not make the trip. Next year.

Simple fix... Move the rear suspension up 1 hole. it's cheap and it will help
 
The stock 2008 MTX front end has a number of issues. From personal experience and what I have read here it just doesn't work for trail riding and in spite of what Yamaha wants to admit to it isn't even set up very well for boondocking. The problems I believe stem from a high center of gravity, skis designed for powder not trails, shocks with poor rebound dampening and a front end geometry that is too aggressive for most riders. Here's what I have done.. Changed to woody's dual carbides, changed the upper and lower a arms to timbersled bark busters, and changed to fox float 2 air shocks, 1 inch shorter than stock. (In site of what Hrt Offroad claims) The bark busters and dual carbides got rid of most of the darting on hard packed trails. The fox floats are adjustable and have much better rebound dampening to take care of the sudden tendency to want to roll over in corners and in deep powder. The high center of gravity you will have to get used to. It requires a more aggessive riding style than any sit down sled I've ever ridden. I've got almost 1,000 miles on mine and am just getting used to how to ride the thing and I think I've finally got it figured out. I'll never go back to a sit down sled. Oh, and by the way I've already relplaced the subframe once. I haven't started working on the rear end yet, but the stock track need to be replaced and it bottoms way too easy on big bumps. It probably needs a different shock. On the other hand the engine is absolutely amazing.
 
The stock 2008 MTX front end has a number of issues. From personal experience and what I have read here it just doesn't work for trail riding and in spite of what Yamaha wants to admit to it isn't even set up very well for boondocking. The problems I believe stem from a high center of gravity, skis designed for powder not trails, shocks with poor rebound dampening and a front end geometry that is too aggressive for most riders. Here's what I have done.. Changed to woody's dual carbides, changed the upper and lower a arms to timbersled bark busters, and changed to fox float 2 air shocks, 1 inch shorter than stock. (In site of what Hrt Offroad claims) The bark busters and dual carbides got rid of most of the darting on hard packed trails. The fox floats are adjustable and have much better rebound dampening to take care of the sudden tendency to want to roll over in corners and in deep powder. The high center of gravity you will have to get used to. It requires a more aggessive riding style than any sit down sled I've ever ridden. I've got almost 1,000 miles on mine and am just getting used to how to ride the thing and I think I've finally got it figured out. I'll never go back to a sit down sled. Oh, and by the way I've already relplaced the subframe once. I haven't started working on the rear end yet, but the stock track need to be replaced and it bottoms way too easy on big bumps. It probably needs a different shock. On the other hand the engine is absolutely amazing.

Yes...the Bark Buster front end does use a 1" shorter than stock Fox Float shock, but you must understand that the Bark Buster front end utilizes different geometry than the stock configuration; shock mounting tab on the lower a-arm is taller than stock (hence the 1" shorter shock) Caster angle is also changed through the slightly taller fabricated spindle giving the front end a tighter turning radius and more precise handling.
Proper spring rates and compression damping is what will control the sudden dive in the corners...it is the rebound damping which will control the action after the compression.
As far as center of gravity goes...I feel that the nytro's center of gravity to be fairly low after coming off an '08 XP.
I don't know much, but I have a pretty good grasp on suspension and set-up:D
 
so what your saying is if we are running a bark buster set up and the stock 08 mtx front shocks, they are too long raising the center of gravity even more? i am assuming we should be installing 16.5" center to center shocks on these sleds with a bark buster?

the thing that boggles me is... if you add a timbersled rear skid, it raises the rear ride height putting more ski pressure on the front end. then you install the bark buster and shorter shocks, you are only going to exaggerate the ski pressure issue by lowering the front end.

i have been fighting a ski pressure issue all winter, and a front to rear end balance issue as well. be nice to get it figured out. i am with you on one thing, dont try to ride this sled like a touring sled on the trail. it will scare the crap out of you. ride it aggressive with all your wits about you, and you will still get puckered now and then. but dont ride it tame, it hates it. and will make YOU pay.

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