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Nytro Clutch Alignment Issue...HELP!!

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modsledr

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I've been having a belt squeal that is getting progressively worse, and am eating belts more and more quickly as well.

I took my clutches apart, cleaned and inspected everything...all looks perfect. When reinstalling the clutches, I happened to look from the rear of the sled and could visibly see they are out of alignment (not parallel with each other)...so I stopped by my Yammi dealer and talked to the service manager about my issue...we looked through the service manual and there doesn't appear to be any adjustment available (only adjustment is side to side).

Anybody have any experience with this issue on a Nytro?

Thanks!!
 
The 3 small bolts on the back are designed to wear over time. Replace and you should get your deflection back and eliminate the belt squel.:beer;
RS
 
You also have some shims (spacers) in behind your secondary on the drive shaft that change the alignment. Maybe you lost them or just need to add or subtract. You can buy a clutch alignment tool. You can also just use a straigt edge or a level. Put the level on the back side of your primary and run it over behind your secondary. Make sure you push your secondary in all the way when you measure. There should be a gap between the level and the secondary. That gap must be .53 to .65 inches. If it is not add or subtract the shims on the back side of your secondary. If this is off it will put stress on the belt and be pulling it out of alignment robbing you of power and may cause the noise you have.

You also need to make sure you belt is riding at the correct height in the secondary. A lot of people tell you it should always be slightly above the secondary. That is not correct. It can be below it slightly (.02 in) or above it up to .06 in. If the belt sits to high remove a spacer behind each adjustment bolts on the back side of the secondary.

Good luck.
 
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You also have some shims (spacers) in behind your secondary that change the alignment. Maybe you lost them or just need to add or subtract. You can buy a clutch alignment tool.

Thanks Randy and Motley for the replies...Its hard to describe, but its not a "side to side" alignment issue (which would be fixed with the shims)...the clutches are not parallel with each other.

If you were looking straight down from above, it would be like the engine was rotated counter clockwise (pto side moving rearward, or mag side moving forward). Hope this makes sense.
 
What randy suggested was my first thought as we found the shims to be an issue with a few sleds. However, found a few people were still blowing belts and clutches were out of alignment. Come to find out the subframe was bent enough to move the two bottom motor mounts on the front just out of wack and in the end led to blown belts. Im not saying this is your issue but something to look for and i wouldnt be surprised if it were the case. Just my .02
 
Definately go buy the alignment tools, they are about the same price as one belt!!! They check your center to center distance and also your primary to secondary offset clearance. I would venture to say that your motor alignment got tweaked some how, most probable cause of the blowing belts...
 
Thanks hyflyr and mmax...I'll take a look at the subframe, definitely a possibility!! I didn't realize the subframe could affect the motor mounts, but it makes sense!!

And I'll be changing the 3 bolts on the back of the secondary per climbmax suggestion.

any other ideas, keep 'em coming.


thanks again!!! :beer; :beer; :beer;
 
I had both problems, belt squeal and eating belts. Pulling the washers from the 3 screws fixed the belt squeal. And even though my alignment was in specs, pulling a shim from behind the clutch fixed the belt eating issue.

You should search for my old thread. Every measurement was in spec with my clutches and just pulling 1 small shim seriously fixed the issue. I was skeptical but others had the same issue so I pulled it and it worked.
 
I had both problems, belt squeal and eating belts. Pulling the washers from the 3 screws fixed the belt squeal. And even though my alignment was in specs, pulling a shim from behind the clutch fixed the belt eating issue.

You should search for my old thread. Every measurement was in spec with my clutches and just pulling 1 small shim seriously fixed the issue. I was skeptical but others had the same issue so I pulled it and it worked.

Yep, read the thread and pulled a shim, and then another...no change.

Good thread, though...some good setup info there.

thanks!!
 
I haven't looked at my frame in a while, but is the motor solid mounted? I thought there were rubber bushings on the mounts. I would take a look at those and look for excessive wear. Which way is it out of parallel? Is it like the primary was pulled closer to the secondary (pivoted on the brake side non-pto end?). Just curious as to the torque transfer between the two would want to pull the clutches together.

Tweaked subframe makes sense, but it has been a while since I had my bodywork off.

You hit anything recently? Well anything big? ;)
 
The motor is solid mounted in the back, however the two motor mounts in the front are basically hangers off of the bulkhead and are easily tweaked or moved out of alignment. Yes there is bushings in there but if the front clip is twisted, it will pull the two front mounts to one side or the other, resulting in broken belts.
 
Good info guys, thanks!!

I can see the front rubber mounts, but cant see if they are tweaked.

Looks like I'll be taking the front clip off as I know my subframe is tweaked, and the gravel/rocks we have been riding to get to the snow recently have probably made it worse. Combined with the wearing of the bolts on the secondary it all makes sense.
 
Mod,

I have had a horrid time trying to clutch my SC Nytro ever since I got it. I have tried just about every clutch setup available and nothing works. Always the same results pulls good for a couple climbs then the clutches get hot and I lose all my track speed. This spring after I got done riding I started really looking everything over and discovered what you are describing. In a ddition to the space between my clutches being out of spec (to short) they were not parallel at all!!! First I pulled some shims to get the offset right , then putting a clutch alignment tool on it the front of the secondary would touch and the rear was probably 3/16 of an inch from touching. (never measured). In addition, as I mentioned above, the center to center alignment was shorter than spec by about 1/8 of an inch as well. There are no gaurantees this will fix my clutch issue, but I am hopeful. Being that far from parallel puts a lot of strain on the belt and has got to create a ton of heat. Also, being to close together would likely mess with the clutches ability to keep the belt tight.

Now, as for how to fix it.... FIRST, Buy a clutch alignment tool from ulmer racing. It is by far the best quality one I have ever seen. It is machined so you don't get the poor cut quality like you do with the cheap water cut steel ones. Alan's is top notch. I used both styles as a double check since I had them both and the cheap one is a little easier to fit in place for offset measurement.

Once you establish exactly where you are off (center to center and/or alignment) loosen the long motor mount bolt in rear. You do NOT have to remove it just losen a few turns. Then remove the nut from both of the front motor mount bolts. You do NOT need to remove the bolt just the nut. Now you need either the yamaha motor mount tool or make your own. You can make your own using a deep socket that you grind so there are two teeth on it or weld a key way on the end of a shaft. You need to turn the front motor mounts to move the motor. As you do this you can make it go forward, backward, left, or right. For example I needed to move my motor forward and twist it in a clockwise direction looking at the motor from above. I did this by turning the left side out and the right in.

When you are done adjusting tighten the REAR mount first and re-check alignment. Then tighten the fronts and check again.

I was amazed that I had to move the front of my motor over by probably 3/8 or more of an inch to get proper alignment. Something may be bent in my frame I am not sure, I will look into it more this fall, but at least now I know my alignment is correct.
 
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Thanks Spray25...sounds like yours was out of adjustment similar to mine. From what I can see I need to rotate clockwise also (when looking down from above).

Thanks again!!
 
I hope the info helps. It really is easy to do once you dive into it. There are quite a few posts over on TY with this same issue and eating belts. Most of them are Nytros. I wonder if the clutch alignment guy on the Nytro assembly line fell asleep for a while?
 
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