Last season i had a bad time with belts. Dealer kept playing with gearing and clutching but nothing was ever solved for good. A little better but not perfect. I keep hearing things about this shim kit. Who all has used this kit? Good luck with it? Where do you get them? Also i had my dealer check my alignment and they said it was ok. For some reason i dont believe they checked. Does someone out there know how to check alignment? Is there a tool that is needed or just a few measurements. If anyone has any good info i would greatly appreciate it. Thanks..
Need Help..XP Clutch Algnment
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remove rear clutch side engine mount and slot it. dealer most certainly did not check alignment. may be a tool out for 09 since all the mounts are adjustable now and ski-doo has admitted the problem but does not openly advertise it.
Alignment is not so much an issue as is the belt, belt height/defelection........The belt should sit approx 1/8 of an inch above the secondary at idle.....2 things happen during operation.... As the friction builds the belt and belt cord begins to get weak from the heat.... The belt also will stretch slightly which is enough to cause poor belt life and poor clutch performance.
If your hitting it pretty hard (banging big hills or running deep deep powder) it is adviced to check you belt height/deflection to get the best belt and clutch performance possible....Alot of guys at lunch time switch to a fresh belt as well...If you have any belt residue on your sheaves that is also instant death to your belt life as well
Skidoo has been trying to get the correct belt compound & profile since the width, sidewall and rubber compound play such a key role in the perfomance. If memory is correct last year the XP started with the 417 and later in the season skidoo went to the 377 which i think is a narrower belt than the 417 or vise-versa.
IMO, the TRA has always had " heat issues" which require simple mangament of the clutch through out the day.
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If your hitting it pretty hard (banging big hills or running deep deep powder) it is adviced to check you belt height/deflection to get the best belt and clutch performance possible....Alot of guys at lunch time switch to a fresh belt as well...If you have any belt residue on your sheaves that is also instant death to your belt life as well
Skidoo has been trying to get the correct belt compound & profile since the width, sidewall and rubber compound play such a key role in the perfomance. If memory is correct last year the XP started with the 417 and later in the season skidoo went to the 377 which i think is a narrower belt than the 417 or vise-versa.
IMO, the TRA has always had " heat issues" which require simple mangament of the clutch through out the day.
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FULL OF CHIT! I could see a "J Hook" in my belt the alignment was out so bad. If your alignment is correct you should be able to hold it to the bars all day long. I don't even run the new belt. 166 will last 1000 miles on my xp. The rev chassis has been running them for years with no problems and the xp is supposed to have less rolling resistance, therefore easier on belts.
Just get yourself a piece of 3/8" straight square stock and put it between the secondary sheaves, extending past the primary. Use the Doo "X-Y-Z" specs to verify alignment. If it's off use the shim kit to get offset correct, the shim kit works good. With proper alignment and our settup you shouldn't have any more belt issues. 
are you sure the 09 have adj mounts?mine does not,the mag side under the rave is not adj..no way no how...although i have not unbolted the clutch side mounts they dont look adj..maybe doo was using up the old mounts and doing a running change?any pics of the so called adj mounts?
I agree you should be able to hold it to the bars all day....... A P85, Yammi, or Cat the TRA is not...Fact is regardless how tuned and aligned your TRA is in running in continued deep deep snow the TRA becomes very hot. The history of the TRA dating back to the 1st summits in 94/95 has always been heat and how heat effects belt performance....I don't care how tuned your drive or driven clutches are, Its still the belt that links the 2 componants together and it's still the belt that fights the TRA's heat.
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I ride the piss out of all my sleds, wheather it be a ski-doo or a polaris... never have I had problems like I had with the xp's belts in 08 until I did my own alignment. My old man owns a 04 summit 159" with the 166 belt and has complete disregard for it. He smokes it pretty much every time he unloads it of the deck and still gets good performance at 1200 miles. Winter brew does have a good point, I like to go to the primary source of the problem... The engine being crooked. As for belt tension, get it as tight as you can without it squeeling or creeping. Not completely sure about adjustable "09 engine mounts, but my 08 fronts are huge, the recoil side is elongated and the clutch side is a straight hole. I don't know how many times I'v posted this info but people still don't believe in "whats simple is correct" I am not just another wanna be tech. I have been in the industry for ten years. Have my BRP training, and polaris MSD training in ranger, atv, victory, and sleds. Take it from somebody who knows, or bash me in the next thread..... your choice.... just trying to help.
Sounds like a few people know whats going on. I went to my skidoo dealer today and they copied the tech sheet from there 09 tech tips book. It tells me everything about aligning the clutchs. All the measurements and everything. So this weekend ill be able to figure out if thats my problem or not. He mentioned something that a few sleds have come through with alignment issues and they noticed the front clutch side engine mount had a shim in it. They removed all the shims and that was the sure i guess. They did tell me though when i do adjust the clutchs if they need it dont align them to where there are both lined up perfectly. He said keep the 3mm off set with the front clutch so when i torqs over it isnt way out of wack.
no offence but you come across harsh i dont remember anyone bashing you?,you clearly stated the 09's were adj...but now 1 post later you say your not sure..i agree on alignment..but my 09 mounts do not look adjustable..but i have not had them apart..just going by the look of em
I have a piece of paper right here in front of me from skidoo's service book that says the 2008 and 2009 xp chassis do not have adjustable mounts. I thought i would throw that in there to clear up some confusion.
lots of grasping at what was an issue on the belts .not sure how one gets a sled out of the factory door with the alignment out , if you see how it is done it becomes a question of how could they have screwed that up .LOL's [human factor 1 ]
have seen a good deal of reasons.
common one was very poor pdi on the dealer networks part
clutch sheaves not cleaned and still haveing the shipping spray on them
clutch alignment is part of the pdi you paid for ??????? yes it is
dealers responsibility to set the sled up for were you ride , were appliciable.
dealer not knowing factory had some poor parts inside [unforseen]
ski doos reluctance to replace belts under warranty due to the above ,
but with in reason of a parts issue
is 09 fixed , depends on your dealer
have seen a good deal of reasons.
common one was very poor pdi on the dealer networks part
clutch sheaves not cleaned and still haveing the shipping spray on them
clutch alignment is part of the pdi you paid for ??????? yes it is
dealers responsibility to set the sled up for were you ride , were appliciable.
dealer not knowing factory had some poor parts inside [unforseen]
ski doos reluctance to replace belts under warranty due to the above ,
but with in reason of a parts issue
is 09 fixed , depends on your dealer
[QUOTEAlignment is not so much an issue as is the belt, belt height/defelection[/QUOTE]
That's quite possible the dumbest statement I have heard yet. Belt deflection does NOTHING after the sled is moving 3mph. It has to be waaaaay off to cuase belt issues. Belt deflection does not cause exsessive heat when you are WOT pulling a hill, it's all about alignment, good clutching, are correct gearing.
My alignment was dead on from the factory.
That's quite possible the dumbest statement I have heard yet. Belt deflection does NOTHING after the sled is moving 3mph. It has to be waaaaay off to cuase belt issues. Belt deflection does not cause exsessive heat when you are WOT pulling a hill, it's all about alignment, good clutching, are correct gearing.
My alignment was dead on from the factory.
That's quite possible the dumbest statement I have heard yet. Belt deflection does NOTHING after the sled is moving 3mph. It has to be waaaaay off to cuase belt issues. Belt deflection does not cause exsessive heat when you are WOT pulling a hill, it's all about alignment, good clutching, are correct gearing.
My alignment was dead on from the factory.[/QUOTE]
You clearly don't read very well........Clutch alignment is a pre-season inspection and a mid-season inspection and thats it. Managing your belt, cleaning your sheaves and keeping the correct deflection is an every other ride of inspections and maintaining.
Dude spend the "whole day" WOT in deep snow pulling hill after hill and if your belt on your TRA clutch isn't "heat soaked" and or "slightly stretched" your spending way to much time on the trail or watching ay the bottom of the hill.
Belt deflection does not cause excessive heat when you are WOT pulling a hill, No Chit Einstein !!!!!!!..............And i don't care how perfect the TRA is aligned, how cool your clutch set is or how clean your sheaves are. If you have ever been banging hills all day with a TRA in deep snow like many of us have your clutching gets HOT and your rubber belts performance becomes effected.
I would be more concerned about 2 loose a belt from ride to ride vs my clutch alignment from ride to ride.
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Well you would have to ride with me. I have two speeds off and wide open. I do not give my sled or belt breaks, expect to stop and bs or whatever, but when we come to a new hill I beat it until everyone else stops.
I agree 100% that ski-doos run hotter than Poos, but the XP with a proper setup and venting you can keep the heat to wear it does not cook the belt off the sled. As an FYI I am not using a single part that came in the 08 XP stock. The spring, ramps, and pin weights were all junk, imo.
I agree 100% that ski-doos run hotter than Poos, but the XP with a proper setup and venting you can keep the heat to wear it does not cook the belt off the sled. As an FYI I am not using a single part that came in the 08 XP stock. The spring, ramps, and pin weights were all junk, imo.
You forgot to mention Cat and Yammie as well...My 08 XP does not run stock parts either and running "king size" vents in deep snow high elevations is a must....They just don't tell you that when you lay down 10K to buy your new TRA And what ever decal buzz word skidoo decides to slap on the sled.
Has anyone else noticed all the skid styles and skidoo name chages ?? tHE 1 name that remain the same is there Totally. Rockin. Assembly aka the TRA
Now im not knocking the TRA it's just like any sled that you modify to your desire. And we all know stock sucks.
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The biggest problem is it's all enclosed..hold heat. Look at the P-85....It's all open so the heat disapates out of it much more. I like the adjustability of the TRA is just like to hold heat.
Can you post the location to the PDF for clutch alignment bulletin here? Thanks.
BRP cure for 08/09 secondary= TSS04 Team Secondary
Pulled it off my Rev (which I miss) put it on my XP
You will have the ability to check belt alignment with the Team Sec due to the fact they actually have an alignment bar-By the time most people are done Dkn with the stock Sec clutch you could have 500 miles by then. 900 miles on original belt In Alaska last year. Yes Team is $$ but easy to pick up on these used parts forums. I'm out of the loop on all the new B.S. for clutching this year, and Mod crap. I do know the Team Sec will allow you to ride-without down time.
Pulled it off my Rev (which I miss) put it on my XP
You will have the ability to check belt alignment with the Team Sec due to the fact they actually have an alignment bar-By the time most people are done Dkn with the stock Sec clutch you could have 500 miles by then. 900 miles on original belt In Alaska last year. Yes Team is $$ but easy to pick up on these used parts forums. I'm out of the loop on all the new B.S. for clutching this year, and Mod crap. I do know the Team Sec will allow you to ride-without down time.
