My 15 year old son is an advanced snowboarder so I was able to talk him into going with me on the sled, we went up to leavitt lake, hwy 108. Took him up the mountain and droped him off. and let him board down, he loved it, 30 sec. to the top. no lines, no chair lift, no lift fee, all alone on the hill, he wanted to stay all day. afterwards rode the sled to Dardenels for lunch. let him drive the M 1000,we put in 70 miles and now wants a sled before a car. The best father-son bonding so far!