MY PREDICTION FOR THE NEXT DOO MOUNTAIN CHASSIS

[Ace Freely]

Rumor mill has the new Poo coming in around 415 with a belt drive....Doo MUST be coming out with a bomb!!!

Ace

 

[wag13]

In 2008 I figured this is only the beginning, we are climbing the slide.
Now we're at the top of the slide.
I think the federal reserve by april is going to push us off the top of the slide and the money riot (inflation) is going to happen and very soon within a year the USA is going to see hyperinflation, you are going to need $100 to buy a loaf of bread.

It could be worse. You could be 17 (like me) and have to live with the current administrations stupid decisions for the rest of your life. Not to mention by the time I'm probably 40 america will not be land of the free, home of the brave......it will be land of the government control and the home of the far left. And to be honest the current administration is your generation. So thanks a lot haha

 

[mountainhorse]

I'm getting pretty excited to see what they have coming out... tight lipped... must be something pretty impressive... SnowShoot usually has rumors flying.

Development and "raising the bar" is always good for everyone out there...








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[tek9tim]

It could be worse. You could be 17 (like me) and have to live with the current administrations stupid decisions for the rest of your life. Not to mention by the time I'm probably 40 america will not be land of the free, home of the brave......it will be land of the government control and the home of the far left. And to be honest the current administration is your generation. So thanks a lot haha

I'd say Bush Jr did a little more damage in that department with the Patriot Act and Homeland Security who can search your home with no warrant and hold you indefinitely on no charge. Heck, changing who's in the White House is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It's the Federal Reserve that runs the country.

Ok, back on topic...

Poo is slowly releasing details about the 2013, and so far it's looking pretty sweet. I'll bet Doo has something epic if it's got Polaris doing a pretty heavy redesign on a 2 year old chassis.

 

[mountainhorse]

Keep the political talk for the other part of the forum please.

 

[Matte Murder]

What part is that? Was it ok until he bagged on Bush!

 

[8emup]

With as successful of run with the XP as Ski Doo has had... I think they will NOT be "Throwing out the baby with the bathwater".

This is my SPECULATION for the new sled.

The chassis itself will remain the same... same tunnel, drive train, pyramid, a-arms/spindles... There will be some refinements...like some braces here and there, stronger drop brackets, a bit smaller coolant loop to save some weight and a bit different running board layout for better snow evacuation. I like to see some creative use of non-stick coatings so that the sled does not gain weight from ice and snow build up as much.

The Big changes will be in the bodywork, rear suspension and steering.

The AC lawsuit smells of Doo wanting to bargain for something... that something, IMO, is to ditch the ole torsion spring skid and go with a coil over or air shock rear to shed some serious pounds... and a rail redesign.

The Bodywork will be narrowed up for better sidehilling and less "panneling-out" in deep snow... especially with that narrow front end... this will take a bit of work... but will be able to be pulled off... maybe a less bulky primary clutch and a redesigned exhaust. The tank and seat will be changed to give it a "new look'

The steering, on the mountain sled will be changed to a more pivoting like design... rather that the current swing design that seems to lend itself to ISOC and trail action.... try out a new AC with the different steering options and you will see what I mean.... This new steering will produce a sled that is easier for less experienced riders to enjoy and attack more technical situations with less fatigue and less mistakes in the backcountry.

The E-Tec engine is pretty awesome... no need to change that.

The secondary, I predict, will go the way of the SkiDoo accessories floating secondary.

I think you might just see a 15" track as an early order option on the Mtn sleds as well.

Will this 2013 or 2014... that is the question...

Refine what you have Ski Doo!!... no need for HUGE investments in re-design when a body change and taking a great machine to a higher level will give the riders out there just what they are looking for!!!




PRAY FOR SNOW

Yes please pray for snow!! Pretty dam close but you missed the new shorter seat with more storage. I don't think we are getting that all new chassis that many are hoping for in the mountain category. Although this will be a lot of changes for next season.

 

[portgrinder]

hold the faith boys, 2013 might be a great sled year for brp

if we have learned anything, if 2013 is the new chassis, then 2014 is the year to buy.

i hope they dont go to that lame steering that everyone else is using. its terrible.

 

[PaulWatt]

Haha, just bought a 2012 on Saturday. Hope I didn't blow it! Also, I'm hoping for hyper inflation to drop my payments down.

 

[dicey]

if we have learned anything, if 2013 is the new chassis, then 2014 is the year to buy.

i hope they dont go to that lame steering that everyone else is using. its terrible.

i couldn't agree more about the steering ,its like driveing with the wheel tilted up.

 

[8emup]

i couldn't agree more about the steering ,its like driveing with the wheel tilted up.

Look for the steering that comes in the Freeride. Still not vertical but better than what we have now. Sorry but after buying a pro my opinion has changed, for stand up side hilling vertical is way better. For sit down riding what ski doo has now is best. Ski Doo will go to something in the middle like he freeride set up. I just changed my sled to the Freeride post and it's definitely better for stand up side hilling. I think the best opinion is probably the c3 set up even more vertical.

Yes if you're a ski doo guy it's hard to adjust at first. At least that's what I experienced but after one day I was sold.

What I'd really like to do is take three sleds with different post angles. I'd like to counter steer them, tip them up on edge take some pictures and point out the bio mechanic's of riders body position and explain why the body position is much stronger for side hilling with a vertical post.

I've done this with two sled's in the drive way One pro and one XP with stock steering. It becomes very obvious when you go through this process. You have more leverage with vertical post. Much easier to pull sled on it's side.

Here's the image, we are doing a steep side hill on left side hill at almost full counter steer.

Laid back post on left hand side hill. The right grip is very low down close to seat. Note this is the hand we are pulling on to tip the sled on edge. Very short leverage arm compared the the vertical post.

Vertical steering post on this same left hand side hill. The right hand is up much higher farther from the ground or higher from the seat creating a much longer leverage arm for the right hand to pull on.

Really it's that simple long leverage arm compared to short leverage arm. If I'm trying to pry a rock out of a hole I'll take the longer stick any day. I'll let you use the the short stick.

Handle bars that steer flat create a longer leverage arm for the hand pulling the sled on it side.

 

[winter brew]

Look for the steering that comes in the Freeride. Still not vertical but better than what we have now. Sorry but after buying a pro my opinion has changed, for stand up side hilling vertical is way better. For sit down riding what ski doo has now is best. Ski Doo will go to something in the middle like he freeride set up. I just changed my sled to the Freeride post and it's definitely better for stand up side hilling. I think the best opinion is probably the c3 set up even more vertical.

Yes if you're a ski doo guy it's hard to adjust at first. At least that's what I experienced but after one day I was sold.

What I'd really like to do is take three sleds with different post angles. I'd like to counter steer them, tip them up on edge take some pictures and point out the bio mechanic's of riders body position and explain why the body position is much stronger for side hilling with a vertical post.

I've done this with two sled's in the drive way One pro and one XP with stock steering. It becomes very obvious when you go through this process. You have more leverage with vertical post. Much easier to pull sled on it's side.

Here's the image, we are doing a steep side hill on left side hill at almost full counter steer.

Laid back post on left hand side hill. The right grip is very low down close to seat. Note this is the hand we are pulling on to tip the sled on edge. Very short leverage arm compared the the vertical post.

Vertical steering post on this same left hand side hill. The right hand is up much higher farther from the ground or higher from the seat creating a much longer leverage arm for the right hand to pull on.

Really it's that simple long leverage arm compared to short leverage arm. If I'm trying to pry a rock out of a hole I'll take the longer stick any day. I'll let you use the the short stick.

Handle bars that steer flat create a longer leverage arm for the hand pulling the sled on it side.

Not to get too far off topic here....
I hear what you're saying, but the other side of the coin is, with the vert post in the same scenario you are using, the left side of the bar is farther forward and away from the rider than with a layed back riser/post.....so you are forced to lean a bit farther forward on the sled and are "reaching" farther...especially on the Pro with those WIIIDE bars . On some chassis if the footwells aren't far enough forward you are forced into leaning forward and this puts you at a disadvantage for leverage as well as off balance if going downhill. I prefer to be farther back on the sled than most vert posts will allow. Maybe I'm weird
I don't find the right end of the bar "down low close to the seat", but rather at a comfortable height (with a proper length riser for rider height) and it is closer to the rider so again, not having to lean to get to the bars. This allows your entire body weight to be farther back or farther to the left (assuming a left sidehill) if desired.
But, as you said it's what you're used to.....for me, having had both I am more comfortable and can ride better/easier with the slightly laid back post and the riser at the same angle (NOT jacked forward to make for a goofy arc when turning).
Whatever they build, like anything else we will just have to adapt, every change has its plusses and minuses
Good topic, this does have a huge effect on the feel of a chassis.

 

[mountainhorse]

How many more sleeps till they release the info on the Ski Doo 2013's?

I'm pretty excited to see what comes out... Mfgs are pushing harder and harder to refine the chassis in all of the brands.

I have a 2010 in the garage right now... stripped down and going back together... One thing I wish the sled had was a removable front pyramid to allow easier engine R&R.

With as successful of run with the XP as Ski Doo has had... I think they will NOT be "Throwing out the baby with the bathwater".

This is my SPECULATION for the new sled.

The chassis itself will remain the same... same tunnel, drive train, pyramid, a-arms/spindles... There will be some refinements...like some braces here and there, stronger drop brackets, a bit smaller coolant loop to save some weight and a bit different running board layout for better snow evacuation. I like to see some creative use of non-stick coatings so that the sled does not gain weight from ice and snow build up as much.

The Big changes will be in the bodywork, rear suspension and steering.

The AC lawsuit smells of Doo wanting to bargain for something... that something, IMO, is to ditch the ole torsion spring skid and go with a coil over or air shock rear to shed some serious pounds... and a rail redesign.

The Bodywork will be narrowed up for better sidehilling and less "panneling-out" in deep snow... especially with that narrow front end... this will take a bit of work... but will be able to be pulled off... maybe a less bulky primary clutch and a redesigned exhaust. The tank and seat will be changed to give it a "new look'

The steering, on the mountain sled will be changed to a more pivoting like design... rather that the current swing design that seems to lend itself to ISOC and trail action.... try out a new AC with the different steering options and you will see what I mean.... This new steering will produce a sled that is easier for less experienced riders to enjoy and attack more technical situations with less fatigue and less mistakes in the backcountry.

The E-Tec engine is pretty awesome... no need to change that.

The secondary, I predict, will go the way of the SkiDoo accessories floating secondary.

I think you might just see a 15" track as an early order option on the Mtn sleds as well.

Will this 2013 or 2014... that is the question...

Refine what you have Ski Doo!!... no need for HUGE investments in re-design when a body change and taking a great machine to a higher level will give the riders out there just what they are looking for!!!

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[sledfreak89]

Im excited to see what Ski Doo brings to the table as well. To be honest though im really not sure if you can top the RMK. I mean how much lighter can a sled be without having it snap in half?

Doo will have to have something really sneaky up their sleaves to out do the rmk IMO.


Still will be interesting to see

-Matt

 

[millertime4060]

I clean toilets

i thought you where the shop model ? now you have 2 jobs there... this is you isn't it ? hahahahaaaa

 

[LRD]

Here is a question. If USA goes to war with Iran later this year Sept/Oct, will BRP release a new platform or release "more of the same good stuff"?

Yes, a new platform but it will be like the Israeli 4 wheeler desert vehicles but equipped with 20 caliber electromagnetic rail guns!!! Heh Heh

Won't that be fun!!

Good Luck

 

[snowmobiler]

if 2013 doo raises the bar to the moon.can we get 1 sticky thread about it

 

[Tim Healy]

if 2013 doo raises the bar to the moon.can we get 1 sticky thread about it

In the poo section

 

[cjgodden]

How many more sleeps till they release the info on the Ski Doo 2013's?

I'm pretty excited to see what comes out... Mfgs are pushing harder and harder to refine the chassis in all of the brands.

I have a 2010 in the garage right now... stripped down and going back together... One thing I wish the sled had was a removable front pyramid to allow easier engine R&R.






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If you have the tools engine r&r is easy, you just need the lifting arm, eye bolt that screws into the spark plug hole and a hoist, makes your life easy. these tools are shown in the service manual.

 

[NITROSKIDUDE]

Im excited to see what Ski Doo brings to the table as well. To be honest though im really not sure if you can top the RMK. I mean how much lighter can a sled be without having it snap in half?

Doo will have to have something really sneaky up their sleaves to out do the rmk IMO.


Still will be interesting to see

-Matt

I know of a Poo Pro that has snapped in half he had to ride his wifes sled last week.