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McCall 1.29.12 Video

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Arctic Thunder

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Short video from the weekend.

Thunder

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Crazy to see climbing vids with the current conditions...especially with multiple riders climbing the same slopes.

I will say the two guys on the same hill was a freak accident. That wasn't planned. One hand didn't know what the other was doing.

Also the snow conditions were very stable on this day. Granted they can change in a hurry, but at this time they were stable.

Thunder
 
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I will say the two guys on the same hill was a freak accident. That wasn't planned. One hand didn't know what the other was doing.

Also the snow conditions were very stable on this day. Granted they can change in a hurry, but at this time they were stable.

Thunder

You know, I kind of figured I would receive this type of response back. And no, I wasn't there, so I am not aware of the exact conditions. If you would allow me, I can tell you some things I am aware of. In the avalanche I was caught in, the avalanche forecast for that day was Moderate. The group I was in made some giant mistakes that could have cost us dearly, including exposing more than one rider to a slope. Since then, I have taken a few courses, and learned just how bad we screwed up. But I did LEARN. I ride a lot differently now. And no, I just don't stick to the meadows. Two riders on those slopes, bad idea. You said that the one hand didn't know what the other was doing. If they are riding together, or even in a separate group, they have to know what is going on. Their lives could depend on it. There should be a discussion that takes place, whether it be on the hill or in the truck. Parking in the runout zone, another bad idea. I won't even go into terrain assessment. Personally, I would have to be very, very, confident in the snowpack to ride on those hills. I know there is risk in everything we do, especially snowmobiling. But consider a worst case scenario. If that hill slid with two riders on it, and one guy parked at the bottom, you have three possible burials. Even a very well trained and organized team would have the odds stacked against them in that situation. Thunder, I don't want you to get offended by this, or feel like I am lecturing. My purpose is to raise some awareness. Even if you bring it up to one of your riding buddies that some jacka$$ on Snowest was giving you a hard time about your video at least it might get people thinking a bit. Have a good year.
 
Originally Posted by Arctic Thunder
I will say the two guys on the same hill was a freak accident. That wasn't planned. One hand didn't know what the other was doing.

Also the snow conditions were very stable on this day. Granted they can change in a hurry, but at this time they were stable.

Thunder

You know, I kind of figured I would receive this type of response back. And no, I wasn't there, so I am not aware of the exact conditions. If you would allow me, I can tell you some things I am aware of. In the avalanche I was caught in, the avalanche forecast for that day was Moderate. The group I was in made some giant mistakes that could have cost us dearly, including exposing more than one rider to a slope. Since then, I have taken a few courses, and learned just how bad we screwed up. But I did LEARN. I ride a lot differently now. And no, I just don't stick to the meadows. Two riders on those slopes, bad idea. You said that the one hand didn't know what the other was doing. If they are riding together, or even in a separate group, they have to know what is going on. Their lives could depend on it. There should be a discussion that takes place, whether it be on the hill or in the truck. Parking in the runout zone, another bad idea. I won't even go into terrain assessment. Personally, I would have to be very, very, confident in the snowpack to ride on those hills. I know there is risk in everything we do, especially snowmobiling. But consider a worst case scenario. If that hill slid with two riders on it, and one guy parked at the bottom, you have three possible burials. Even a very well trained and organized team would have the odds stacked against them in that situation. Thunder, I don't want you to get offended by this, or feel like I am lecturing. My purpose is to raise some awareness. Even if you bring it up to one of your riding buddies that some jacka$$ on Snowest was giving you a hard time about your video at least it might get people thinking a bit. Have a good year.



LOL! Classic snowest fun police, I love it!!
 
"LOL! Classic snowest fun police, I love it!!"


Actually, it is kind of funny. People who actually know me would be laughing there a$$es of at the thought of me being employed by the "Fun Police". I just hate to see people playing roulette with huge consequences. Like I said in the previous post, lots of risk involved in snowmobiling. No one is immune to getting caught in a slide, including myself. I would rather just engage in behavior that gives me the best chance of going home and having a couple cold ones at the end of the day.:face-icon-small-hap
 
You know, I kind of figured I would receive this type of response back. And no, I wasn't there, so I am not aware of the exact conditions. If you would allow me, I can tell you some things I am aware of. In the avalanche I was caught in, the avalanche forecast for that day was Moderate. The group I was in made some giant mistakes that could have cost us dearly, including exposing more than one rider to a slope. Since then, I have taken a few courses, and learned just how bad we screwed up. But I did LEARN. I ride a lot differently now. And no, I just don't stick to the meadows. Two riders on those slopes, bad idea. You said that the one hand didn't know what the other was doing. If they are riding together, or even in a separate group, they have to know what is going on. Their lives could depend on it. There should be a discussion that takes place, whether it be on the hill or in the truck. Parking in the runout zone, another bad idea. I won't even go into terrain assessment. Personally, I would have to be very, very, confident in the snowpack to ride on those hills. I know there is risk in everything we do, especially snowmobiling. But consider a worst case scenario. If that hill slid with two riders on it, and one guy parked at the bottom, you have three possible burials. Even a very well trained and organized team would have the odds stacked against them in that situation. Thunder, I don't want you to get offended by this, or feel like I am lecturing. My purpose is to raise some awareness. Even if you bring it up to one of your riding buddies that some jacka$$ on Snowest was giving you a hard time about your video at least it might get people thinking a bit. Have a good year.

Point taken and good reply.

Thunder
 
Post vids of being stupid, expect to be challenged. Taking offense simply reinforces ignorance.


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Not really taking offense, problem is we have so many "Nancy's" on here that do nothing but bitch and complain it kind of pi$$es a guy off.

So we post a video for some to enjoy, learn etc. Then all you get is you messes this up, you did that wrong, wheres your avi pack, etc.

I appreciate aebsledders reply. He put his comments where his mouth is. point taken, and agreed.

Those that take two seconds on their smart phones to be a smart a$$ pi$$ me off.

Cheers

Thunder
 
Not trying to start chit either. Just stating a fact that you must agree with after looking back at your own video. Is having two guys on the hill at the same time safe, is sitting in the run out zone with your helmet off safe, is sitting below your buddies running video as they climb above you safe, no to all the above. If you think the answers are yes so be it. The sledding community sure does not need the rookies looking at your video thinking some of that chit is safe or the right thing to do.

Just saying....get pissed if you wish bro. Great video otherwise, looks like you guys had a blast. Safe riding!



Not really taking offense, problem is we have so many "Nancy's" on here that do nothing but bitch and complain it kind of pi$$es a guy off.

So we post a video for some to enjoy, learn etc. Then all you get is you messes this up, you did that wrong, wheres your avi pack, etc.

I appreciate aebsledders reply. He put his comments where his mouth is. point taken, and agreed.

Those that take two seconds on their smart phones to be a smart a$$ pi$$ me off.

Cheers

Thunder
 
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Snow looks good yet for this weekend!
Crazy to think that someone jumped off that rock cliff below where the two guys met on the hill.
 
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