Mavrick gas in my 1200 turbo @ 14#s

[RidnHigh]

So if I understand this, b1dodge is running premium at 10lbs boost and having great success. So even if I dropped the boost to 9, why would I need to add this additive at 9lbs?
I get the theory that to much race gas doesnt make as much power under certain condition.
This juice stuff what is it compared to in race gas octain? c12,14,16 100ll... or should I say equivalant?

This conversation is hilarious, I'm with Shain on this and dont even run one of his setups. This stuff is not equivalent or compared to any race gas, it is only "equivalent" depending on how you mix it...so like shain was saying above when he mixed 3.5 ounces it ran great with no signs of deto but 3oz. had some deto...fellas and dont let me rub anybody the wrong way, but why turbo ur sled to run 7 lbs on pump fuel, manufacturers like shain are advancing the industry, turbo selds are meant to be mean and fast so test em that way and put out an advanced product so when we purchase something you cant just get beat by a lil spray of juice.... I.E. you buy a 09 M1000 at base manufactureres HP of 162 put on slp pipe and can (which they claim boosts hp numbers to 192.8) we shall be realistical and say 185, fuel controller and maybe some minimal porting, your into the sled way less than a pump gas setup and at the nearly same horsepower, add some juice on the top end and WHALA! (Plus less weight) I dont care who's 800 pump gas setup your running, you will be lucky to make 200 horse, and at that you still lose a lil bottom end grunt because of lag, granted we arent comparing same CC machinges but still you get the point... So I truly respect the fact that Twisted is testing some insane setups with their gear...it just shows that he is wiling to provide what the consumer should be wanting, great horsepower gains and reliable setups...

 

[WyoBoy1000]

This conversation is hilarious, I'm with Shain on this and dont even run one of his setups. This stuff is not equivalent or compared to any race gas, it is only "equivalent" depending on how you mix it...so like shain was saying above when he mixed 3.5 ounces it ran great with no signs of deto but 3oz. had some deto...fellas and dont let me rub anybody the wrong way, but why turbo ur sled to run 7 lbs on pump fuel, manufacturers like shain are advancing the industry, turbo selds are meant to be mean and fast so test em that way and put out an advanced product so when we purchase something you cant just get beat by a lil spray of juice.... I.E. you buy a 09 M1000 at base manufactureres HP of 162 put on slp pipe and can (which they claim boosts hp numbers to 192.8) we shall be realistical and say 185, fuel controller and maybe some minimal porting, your into the sled way less than a pump gas setup and at the nearly same horsepower, add some juice on the top end and WHALA! (Plus less weight) I dont care who's 800 pump gas setup your running, you will be lucky to make 200 horse, and at that you still lose a lil bottom end grunt because of lag, granted we arent comparing same CC machinges but still you get the point... So I truly respect the fact that Twisted is testing some insane setups with their gear...it just shows that he is wiling to provide what the consumer should be wanting, great horsepower gains and reliable setups...

If you are saying a N/a m1000 will even rated at 200hp will pull with a pg setup ???? It wont I have a 09 slp pipe m1000 clutched and tuned. (At 10,000ft) My friend has a 09 m1000 with bd pg turbo and on 4.5lbs it is just as fast out of the hole and shortly after walks away from mine. on 6lbs its a ripper.

One other thing to add to the death nock and engine temp is, the longer the pull the higher the intake temp which has a much faster effect on det. A 5 second pull and you could easily run 8-9lbs(if your injectors keep up) on pump gas, but a 12+ sec pull without higher octane and your asking for trouble, even at 10,000ft.

 

[b1dodge]

thats is a very good point and one i need to add to.. my kit is a cpc race gas kit so it has the upgraded fuel system and cold air intake. it keeps nominal charge temps even on a long pull. i wouldnt recommend anything higher than six pounds on a stock fuel system with any pump gas kit. an i agree with you completely on the N/A vs boost in any configuration. its got to be a very poorly tuned tm8 or tm1000 for all but a very few N/A sleds run next to. The higher the elevation the bigger the gap is between the 2. and yes i have both and have tested in most all conditions.

 

[RidnHigh]

If you are saying a N/a m1000 will even rated at 200hp will pull with a pg setup ???? It wont I have a 09 slp pipe m1000 clutched and tuned. (At 10,000ft) My friend has a 09 m1000 with bd pg turbo and on 4.5lbs it is just as fast out of the hole and shortly after walks away from mine. on 6lbs its a ripper.
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Wasnt saying it will pull with a PG 1000 setup like i said above i realize im not talking same CCs to same CC's, but in the realm of things its a third the money, my point was that i dont understand the reason to pay that much and be that close to NA, the point of the turbo is for big boost and big hp numbers i would think and thats what these boys are trying to accomplish big things, with reliable products...at any rate neither here nor there we ride two completely differnt areas, rather elevations, so im not one to say that ur setups dont or do work, just mo on what i have ridden, built, and rode...back to the subject at hand sorry for hijacking

just a further question for you turbo gurus though, am I wrong in saying that there is no way there is the same grunt on the bottom end of a turbo sled versus NA until you start building boost?? Assuming they are both clutched " perfectly" to work with each setup??

 

[b1dodge]

at the very bottom of the rpm range just off of idle and above clutch engagement i always say it feels like a m6. but once its up and moving on and off the gas is better than an N/A sled IMO. it could be too that the boost hits so hard it just seems that way. I will say this nothing has better throttle responce than a well tuned N/A M1000. sorry for wearing this thread out guys... i will shut up now.
p.s. IM STILL RIDING

 

[product tester]

If you are saying a N/a m1000 will even rated at 200hp will pull with a pg setup ???? It wont I have a 09 slp pipe m1000 clutched and tuned. (At 10,000ft) My friend has a 09 m1000 with bd pg turbo and on 4.5lbs it is just as fast out of the hole and shortly after walks away from mine. on 6lbs its a ripper.
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Wasnt saying it will pull with a PG 1000 setup like i said above i realize im not talking same CCs to same CC's, but in the realm of things its a third the money, my point was that i dont understand the reason to pay that much and be that close to NA, the point of the turbo is for big boost and big hp numbers i would think and thats what these boys are trying to accomplish big things, with reliable products...at any rate neither here nor there we ride two completely differnt areas, rather elevations, so im not one to say that ur setups dont or do work, just mo on what i have ridden, built, and rode...back to the subject at hand sorry for hijacking

just a further question for you turbo gurus though, am I wrong in saying that there is no way there is the same grunt on the bottom end of a turbo sled versus NA until you start building boost?? Assuming they are both clutched " perfectly" to work with each setup??

I have raced well tuned m1000s with nos and never got pulled out of the hole.

 

[RidnHigh]

I have raced well tuned m1000s with nos and never got pulled out of the hole.

Ur also, Shain Stanger, and I dont care what u say, ur sled will run better than 99% of ur setups just because of the knowledge you have but point proven

 

[WyoBoy1000]

even if you have a well tuned m1000 most of the time a stock m8 will pull with you out of the whole because of the increased loss of traction from having more power. I may have got a sled length on a turbo M before, but most of the time its because I'm better at shifting my weight. We have lined up right at the bottom of a short very steep hill and the turbo pulls gradually and about 30ft up it really pulls away. If a N/A was going to shine this would be the spot. You can also clutch for your riding style on either sled.
But I have jump 3-4 sled lengths on turbo dragons but not never much if any on my dealers m8-m1000's.

The reason for the turbo is, you just can't make it with out it. The ability of dropping down a steep!!!! slope and half way down flipping a U turn and picking your way back up through the trees is flat out awesome!
But when at most 2 out of 10+ people I ride with have turbos I can't justify getting one until I can afford one of each.