m1000 hp vs m8 HO hp on 10 lbs boost?

[killerrf]

hello. i was wondering roughly what would the hp and torque difference between the two both running 10 lbs boost? i know the 1000 will be more but how much?

im really considering a turbo for next winter... i have 2100 miles on the 1000 right now and it has been real solid. probably would be a good idea to tear the engine right down and check crank bearings and replace piston and reeds... if going to turbo. i fiqure as long as the engine is freshened up there is nothing wrong with the rest of the sled other some bearings may need to be changed replaced. the track is actually in excellent condition. that PC track is a really durable track. the only thing is mine is a 153 and i dont know if a 162 would be a must for a boosted 1000. i thought about a big bore 1200 or even cutlers 1300 but turbo power would awesome.

 

[HCM]

I have been around a few 8's with turbos they all seem to run well but the 1000 with some mods seems to run rite with them for the most part then put the Turbo on the 1000 and it is all over form there it does take the fun out of hill climbing for sure because you can go out the top of just about any thing you point it at, I'm sure other people will have other opinions for sure. The tree riding on the 8 would be better the 1000 is pretty aggressive for sure but if you learn how to handle it they are a lot of fun.

 

[product tester]

I have built probably 200 m1000 turbos and 200 m8 turbos every year the m8 gets better from the factory . This is the first year I dont own a m1000 I do have 3 m8s though and Im running new turbos on all of them boost for boost they will run right with the 1000 untill 10#s and are 30#s lighter.

 

[av8er]

M8's have the knock sensor

they are safer, I've ridden with turbo m1000's they are powerful, but for the most part it is overkill, I would not turbo a m1000 153, i'm running a big bore and a turbo m8, it's a D&D 901 with boonie turbo, and it wants to flip over backwards, quite easily, it needs at least a 162, if I ran a turboed m1000, i would want a 174. Cutlers 1300 big bore would be just as good as a blower

 

[WyoBoy1000]

The difference between a 09 m8 and m1000 would be huge, and the m1000 has way more pull out of the hole. You don't need a 162 but you will need suspension mods

 

[Firecat162]

Everyones experience is different I guess....however I ride a mod M1000 with the new version BD Racegas turbo and there is no M8T that I have seen that will pull with it at 10lbs and below. Ridden with some very well set up turbos. I had Reid Hedlund from Bonndocker Canada set up this turbo and it RIPS. Lots of torque. Been riding it lately at 14lbs in trees and 16lbs on the bigger hills and it works really well with the 162 x2.5 camo. I have mentioned before though that the M8T are no slouches either. Im sure you would be happy with either!

Good luck!

 

[Vertical-Extreme]

they are safer, I've ridden with turbo m1000's they are powerful, but for the most part it is overkill, I would not turbo a m1000 153, i'm running a big bore and a turbo m8, it's a D&D 901 with boonie turbo, and it wants to flip over backwards, quite easily, it needs at least a 162, if I ran a turboed m1000, i would want a 174. Cutlers 1300 big bore would be just as good as a blower

How is the 901 working ?

 

[knzee]

I have been around a few 8's with turbos they all seem to run well but the 1000 with some mods seems to run rite with them for the most part then put the Turbo on the 1000 and it is all over form there it does take the fun out of hill climbing for sure because you can go out the top of just about any thing you point it at, I'm sure other people will have other opinions for sure. The tree riding on the 8 would be better the 1000 is pretty aggressive for sure but if you learn how to handle it they are a lot of fun.

Are you saying that an N/A 1000 with mods will run with a TM8 at 10psi? We have two 1000's that ride with us, well one now the other sits in the trailer, that are ported and just about every mod you can do. They will blow the doors off a SLP set up 1000 and it isn't even funny what an 8 running at even 6psi will do to these two.

 

[ACTM7]

M1000

After running m8 turbo ,m1000 ported and now m1000 with ovs tial turbo Running 6-10psi the tm1000most fun sled i have owed. TURBO THE 1000

 

[specialk6r]

This year I ran a CPC M1000 153" at 5.5 lbs until the crank went at 1800 miles, so I picked up a BDPG M8 162" that I run at 7 lbs. I'm calling the TM1000 the most fun sled around, and boost for boost it will plain stomp an 8. Still, I have a lot more trust in the TM8 and I think it's the best boondocker I've ever ridden.

Your perfect sled depends on your definition of fun. I've seen guys post "boondocking" videos that were turns in open fields and hills. If this is your game boost the M1000 or get a TNytro (I also owned a propane TNytro, and that thing went up hills like nothing else on the planet.) If you're like me and think boondocking is do-or-die sidehills and brushing elbows with pine trees, the M8 will do a little better but also get almost 1/3 better MPGs and likely be more reliable.

 

[JSCC]

I have built probably 200 m1000 turbos and 200 m8 turbos every year the m8 gets better from the factory . This is the first year I dont own a m1000 I do have 3 m8s though and Im running new turbos on all of them boost for boost they will run right with the 1000 untill 10#s and are 30#s lighter.

Shane, I am curious how you are getting the 8's to run that good? I have rode with you and many of your kits but, I have never seen any 800 come close boost for boost to a 1000. Heck that little 700 that rides with me has out ran just about every 800 it has lined up against and it needs atleast 5 more pounds of boost to run with my 1000. And I have seen plenty of your 1000's that flat get after the program! Never seen an 800 that impresses me........Well atleast one that is not running 20+lbs.

 

[product tester]

notice I said up to 10 #S

 

[killerrf]

well i appreciate all your comments. thats the only thing that worries me about he 1000 is the engine. some to be a ticking timebomb whether the clutch end breaks off or the crank craps out.

800 seems to be much more bulletproof from what ive read over the last few years on the m8's. but that grunt of that 1000 would be hard to part with.
maybe there will some good summer or early fall offers on some turbo kits from some different companies and pick one up for a decent price.

i also thought about the new m1100t but its a four stroke.. dont think im ready for a heavy four stroke. you can lighten them up forsure but its still a heavy motor sitting in front. thats why i think a m1 on boost would be much lighter, nimble and just as powerful sled for much cheaper. that CAD price tag is scary.

 

[JSCC]

Mine has over 3100 miles on it......




Shain I read that, just have not experienced it.

 

[Sparx]

I run an M8 OVS Tial setup at 10lbs right now.
Once on straight race at 10lbs @ 1250ft,
mostly on straight AV gas 100LL @ 6-8000ft

I'm looking to get a second sled and was/am in the same boat as you. This is what I'm thinking... You would have to get a used M10 with a cheap pump gas kit to be under the price of a new 1100T. The 1000 is a great machine when not pushed hard on the wrong type of fuel per boost. The M8 is IMO bulletproof for this as I have found.

I personally think I'm going to go with the 1100T sled and keep my TM8 for another season. Too hard to pass up a Turbo'd sled with warranty on it for $16,000 Can that runs a set boost for low or high altitude without issues and is as bullet proof as the M8 is for reliability on boost with it's safety features (DET system and boost control).

Supposedly the new 4 Stroke Turbo handles as good as a M1000 due to the chassis updates so the extra weight is not as noticeable when riding. If your going to spend up to $20,000 into the machine you can loose alot of weight and gain crazy power too easily and reliably with a boost controller.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

I ride in the trees as steep as a sled can hold onto, I would take the Tm1000 in a heart beat over the m8, but it has to be clutched and setup right. To me a m8 on 6lbs at 10000ft feels like a stock m8 at 3000ft. 8-12lbs is where it starts to really run but has none of the low end capabilities of the m1000, but I have not ridden with or around any of product testers new m8's so maybe he is on to something but I would have to see it to be sold.

 

[scaredycat]

cats

Sparx

if the new 4 stroke cats arent super light, they are not going to perform in deep
powder...i rode with some yammis this year and it was not a pretty picture...the nytro had 240 hp ..almost 70 more than the new cat....and relied on full boost to plow its way forward and barely getting on top of the snow..i really dont see 177 as anywhere near enough hp for a 4stroke sled....if you are going to ride on harder snow then it will be great but it would have to be an engineering miracle to make that power to weight work in the deep stuff.Im not saying cat didnt pull it off this year as i havent rode one but i do know yamaha hasnt done it at 180.

 

[Sparx]

I've seen it too, Nytro's getting stuck dowhill even with boost and Simmons Gen1 skis. Gen2 fat skis make a world of a difference for these 4 strokes and he ordered them after that day! This same day I saw a 174X16X3" XP get stuck going downhill a couple times too while my Cat floated awesome on stock skis and the Powerclaw 162" track.

Rider has alot to do with it as I would stay in it on the Nytro and pull the sled up out of the snow on boost when it seemed about to get stuck but it was alot of work!

As I said, I plan to keep my TM8 and put it on propane for this same reason. I'll tell you what though, it takes 12lbs on my Tial setup to start feeling like 4Stroke torque when in the steep and deep. Those sleds work awesome over 200+hp, I plan to take it to 220hp and go from there...

 

[Sparx]

Sparx

if the new 4 stroke cats arent super light, they are not going to perform in deep
powder...i rode with some yammis this year and it was not a pretty picture...the nytro had 240 hp ..almost 70 more than the new cat....and relied on full boost to plow its way forward and barely getting on top of the snow..i really dont see 177 as anywhere near enough hp for a 4stroke sled....if you are going to ride on harder snow then it will be great but it would have to be an engineering miracle to make that power to weight work in the deep stuff.Im not saying cat didnt pull it off this year as i havent rode one but i do know yamaha hasnt done it at 180.

I forgot you wrote 240hp, was he on the Maverick stock track? The one I rode at 180HP 6psi boost had just put on a Challenger extreme 162x16x2.5" track on his cause the trip before that was bottomless and the stock track was useless! Seemed to make a big difference till he didn't have enough ski! LOL