Liberals the cancer of this nation? Vote now.

[Ollie]

Those are all things our government is doing right now. Is our government run by liberals?

Actually yes, liberals do currently run the country.
Just ask em.
Palosi, Reid and Bo are all liberals.
They run the 3 branches of government, so yes, liberals do currently run the government.

As for republican or democrat.
Both terms hold little true merit anymore.
A democrat used to be blue collar and republican used to be buisness.
Neither holds true anymore.
For the last 50 years both parties have gone more and more towards marxist or socialistic policies. Medicaid, medicare, SS, welfare, no child left behind, the list goes on and on. None of those programs are currently run in accordance with the constitution.
Why?
Because to run them according to the constitution would limit the power in washington which is what the last 50 years has been all about. Gathering power for the people in washington.
Neither party actually governs for the betterment of the country as a whole, they pander to special interest groups and the media. They tell you one thing and then do something completely different. You have politicians who are openly stating they will govern against the will of the very people they are supposed to support, however since they are doing what the media and the liberals in charge want, it is overlooked instead of exposed.

You can argue till your blue in the face and your lips fall off, it won't matter. Until we can fundamentally change the mind set in washington, nothing will change.

 

[The Fourth Wolf]

J,
You're in high school ain'tcha?

Define "social equality"

The better parts of your opinion of what a liberal is, is confused with Libertarian. Liberals don't support freedom, they support government control of everything.

A centerpiece of American Liberalism is abortion on demand and partial birth abortion (that's where an 8 1/2 month old fetus is brought to where the top of his head is exposed, drilled into and the brains sucked out). How, exactly does that value life or family.

 

[Calvin42]

J-Fly your dictionary definitions, while technically correct, are irrelevant because they ignore the context of American political dynamics.

Politically speaking...
American Liberals support/promote an expansion of government, and government power. At best they are motivated by a naive but sincere sense of fairness. At worst they are anti-capitalist, anti-free market, anti-institution & tradition leftist, radical believers in socialism. They are vocal proponents of free speech unless they disagree with that speech, then they work hard to suppress it. (Fairness Doctrine) They advocate taking earned wealth away from the hard working in order to give it to the ungrateful.

American Conservatives support limited government that holds to the Constitution. They value the intent of the Framers and they want the government to honor that. They believe in life, and family. They value hard work and want a strong economy. They understand that government costs money to operate but they also know that limited, Constitutionally compliant government means low taxes. To conservatives all Americans have the opportunity to succeed and while usually charitable people take no pity on those who choose not to try. Conservatives believe that America is great and worth defending and preserving. They do not believe in and do not want American submission to any sort of global government.

Liberals want to achieve fairness by punishing the successful.
Conservatives want to achieve fairness by keeping what they earned.

What he said x100. J-fly I think your on the wrong forum. Tree huggers.com is the one your looking for.

 

[Ollie]

I don't know if J is a lib or just mis-informed.
Liberals have always thought that it takes government control to do force equality.
Guess what folks.
Capitalism is all about INEQUALITY.
Those with the drive, ambition and skills rise to the top.
Those that rely on everyone else for everything should be happy flipping burgers.
That's how capitalism works, and folks, it works well when left alone.

Liberals believe that if you are successful you got there by cheating and stealing from the poor.
It's just the other way around.
If you are poor, chances are either you need to move and refocus your life or learn to be happy with nothing.

If you would like, I will be happy to give a detailed overview of how liberals have destroyed the working class and kept those that want a better life from ever achieving it.

One clue.

low income housing.

 

[POLZIN]

None of the above . IGNORANCE is the cancer of this nation both side of the isle are eqally as guilty. IMO liberalism is the effect of whats been happening in this country for a long time. the only reason there are libs is because of the fairy tail world most conservatives live in and try to force on everyone just like they are trying to do right now.Just a bit of good old common sense would help both sides of this arguement imensly.

 

[Ollie]

None of the above . IGNORANCE is the cancer of this nation both side of the isle are eqally as guilty. IMO liberalism is the effect of whats been happening in this country for a long time. the only reason there are libs is because of the fairy tail world most conservatives live in and try to force on everyone just like they are trying to do right now.Just a bit of good old common sense would help both sides of this arguement imensly.

As far as politicians go,
it's not ignorance, it arrogance.
They know best and you should just shut up and let them lead you around.
Both parties are at fault for this.
The republicans had their chance with the "New Deal" put up by Newt Gingrige (sp?), they blew it. They are doing the EXACT same thing the dems are doing now. Once they got power, they switch off everything they promised to do and they run off on some political agenda that has NOTHING to do with the platform they ran on.

The republicans promised to control washington, get rid of special interests and balance the budget. They didn't.

The dems promised to control washington, put aside partisan politics and work for the betterment of the nation, balance the budget and get rid of special interest groups.
They also lied.
A lot of hope and faith was put in bo and the dems. That hope and faith has been betrayed. That is why the poll numbers are dropping like a led balloon in a hurricane.

What this country needs is a new (pre-new deal) politician, one who actually is interested in the betterment of this country and not his pocket.

 

[motojunkie101]

J,
You're in high school ain'tcha?

QUOTE]

Its actually worse than that...the guy is in his 30s if i remember right, or late 20s. Works at a pizza shop, and openly admits to smoking dope as well as thinking there is nothing wrong with driving under the influance of it. Awhile back he didn't have a problem with illegals, but now he does for some reason...must be whatever his weed is laced with thats changing his mind.

Funny how the people who want GWOT ended are the pu$$ies who dont have the sack to stand up for their country. When it comes to the war on drugs, the only people who want that shut down are the people producing, smoking or selling them.

 

[luvtoride]

Cancer is the cancer of the nation. That stuff sucks....

Anyways, I think we need a two party system, and we need to remind voters about how we got to where we are today, and get the undecided or ignorant voters back on the winning team.

I think we need liberals, or at least another strong second party to keep the 2 party system up and running. People need to be able to make choices, its in our nature.

 

[POLZIN]

As far as politicians go,
it's not ignorance, it arrogance.
They know best and you should just shut up and let them lead you around.
Both parties are at fault for this.
The republicans had their chance with the "New Deal" put up by Newt Gingrige (sp?), they blew it. They are doing the EXACT same thing the dems are doing now. Once they got power, they switch off everything they promised to do and they run off on some political agenda that has NOTHING to do with the platform they ran on.

The republicans promised to control washington, get rid of special interests and balance the budget. They didn't.

The dems promised to control washington, put aside partisan politics and work for the betterment of the nation, balance the budget and get rid of special interest groups.
They also lied.
A lot of hope and faith was put in bo and the dems. That hope and faith has been betrayed. That is why the poll numbers are dropping like a led balloon in a hurricane.

What this country needs is a new (pre-new deal) politician, one who actually is interested in the betterment of this country and not his pocket.

This is kinda what I was getting at and you are correct! They are to arrogant to realize the are complete fools.But it goes way further than politicians. We are all guilty of being biased and short sighted! Both side leave me in utter disgust to the point I will have no part of it . IMO what we need is a revolution and then after that we can elect someone that has seen his predecessors hang for treason! like I have said before I dont see any way to fix the problems in this country without bloodshed . I dont like it any more than you do but its time .Like you said it has been a see-saw battle for control for to long and both sides have become so intolerant of the other its scary.

 

[MPS]

I'm liking the results of the poll.

.

 

[winter brew]

Ans I thought GREED was the cancer.....regardless of party afiliation. (sp?)

 

[MTm7]

Ans I thought GREED was the cancer.....regardless of party afiliation. (sp?)

affiliation!

 

[Wade]

OMG J Fly

Libearal beliefs are unsustainable. You can not say you want to help the world, then say you don't want to FORCE (war) bad people to do the right thing. What do you think happens to all the money we send to foreign countries? Most of it ends up in corrupt politician's pockets. Would you send troops to stop women from being subjugated, stoned, or married into slavery? Then you aren't really willing to help them.

Liberals believe that things must be "fair"???? So, what's fair? Did you get the job you wanted? Did you get to marry the women you wanted? What if a company was run like the government? Every worker got to vote. So, the 50% of the company, that didn't better themselves, didn't really ever try, should decide which workers get a raise, and how many people it takes to do a job. I think there's car companies that WHERE ran that way. Their going out of business.

I'm all for leveling the playing field, so everyone has a chance to succeed, but I really don't care if you starve to death, if you won't get off your butt and try. Starvation is a great motivator, why do you think immigrants do really well in the country, because they've seen real hunger, and real inequality. Not, the whiny little crap liberals call "unfair".

We call it helping people up, not propping them up. Liberals are predominately democrats, democrats depend on the vote of the poor, and the guilty conscience. To maintain power, liberals must convince a majority that they are really poor, and need the democratic party to save them from a lack of plasma TVs, and game consoles. Last time I checked, most of the "starving people" in this country, where pushing 300 pounds.

Do you really think giving people food and money, is going to make them happy? Nothing given, is appreciated, only that which is earned. Do you really believe that giving people money, will cause them to become respectable, contributing citizens? I'm for teaching them how to work, not teaching them to become dependent.

All American's are better served, when everyone is working, and contributing. I won't even begin to defend the policies of the Republicans. They aren't my party either. But, at least they don't make emotions their primary decision point. I will claim this fact, that I believe, a country of minimal government, and minimal rules, and personal responsibility, will help a greater number of people raise out of poverty, than all the social programs you can ever imagine. Go to a former communist country, and see the way those people lived. Socialism is a death spiral.

 

[Yamahamod]

Actually yes, liberals do currently run the country.
Just ask em.
Palosi, Reid and Bo are all liberals.
They run the 3 branches of government, so yes, liberals do currently run the government.

As for republican or democrat.
Both terms hold little true merit anymore.
A democrat used to be blue collar and republican used to be buisness.
Neither holds true anymore.
For the last 50 years both parties have gone more and more towards marxist or socialistic policies. Medicaid, medicare, SS, welfare, no child left behind, the list goes on and on. None of those programs are currently run in accordance with the constitution.
Why?
Because to run them according to the constitution would limit the power in washington which is what the last 50 years has been all about. Gathering power for the people in washington.
Neither party actually governs for the betterment of the country as a whole, they pander to special interest groups and the media. They tell you one thing and then do something completely different. You have politicians who are openly stating they will govern against the will of the very people they are supposed to support, however since they are doing what the media and the liberals in charge want, it is overlooked instead of exposed.

You can argue till your blue in the face and your lips fall off, it won't matter. Until we can fundamentally change the mind set in washington, nothing will change.

Well Said, You to Wade

 

[Ollie]

Ans I thought GREED was the cancer.....regardless of party afiliation. (sp?)

Wrong.
It's power that corrupts, not greed.
Those with power never need worry about money.
Money is a temporary thing, power lasts forever.

How much money did Martin Luther King have?
Will he be remembered for how much money he had?

Power, that is what corrupts.
That is why term limits are vital to the success of this country. We need them BAD. Limit the ability of politicians to gather power and they will switch from gathering power to trying to make their mark with legislation.

 

[shortstop20]

Liberals are no more the cancer in this country than are hardcore ultra-conservatives. The cancer in this country is people who blame the other side for everything and cannot fathom that their side may be not so great as well.

By the way, it was everybody's friend GW Bush that took away the 4th Amendment, ala Patriot Act. Both sides have their hand in the pot of taking away freedoms.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

I'm liking the results of the poll.

.

this your vote?

Liberals like Ted Kennedy are great people with great values.

11.79%

lol j/k, I bet I know who's it was

 

[WFO or go home]

I didn't used to care what others opinions/vales were, but as I get older I wonder why people with a liberal mindset insist on medling in my affairs, CONSTANTLY.

I have had about enough of being expected to pay my taxes and shut up.

If we stop giving the free hand outs, people will stop coming here EXPECTING to be TAKEN CARE OF.

 

[winter brew]

Wrong.
It's power that corrupts, not greed.
Those with power never need worry about money.
Money is a temporary thing, power lasts forever.

How much money did Martin Luther King have?
Will he be remembered for how much money he had?

Power, that is what corrupts.
That is why term limits are vital to the success of this country. We need them BAD. Limit the ability of politicians to gather power and they will switch from gathering power to trying to make their mark with legislation.

Greed applies to more than just $$$....it's wanting to posess more of "something" than you deserve or more then 'the other guy" has. Power....Money....land....BACON....etc....
Can anyone name one problem in todays world that doesn't boil down to the greed of a man??

 

[MPS]

this your vote?



lol j/k, I bet I know who's it was

Thems fighting words biatch! haha

hmmmmm you have great deductive reasoning skills...LMAO .....hmmmm J-Fly? LMAO


Gee Ruffy do these results astound you? haha


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