Lets send our "friends" a message :mad:
- Thread starter sixpointbull
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I didn't see any Online forum?? It says you print out a form and then send it to them and then they FWD it to the right organization....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we send our PRO-Noisemaking letters to the Snowimp Society won't they just "file" our form in the Recycling Bin ??
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we send our PRO-Noisemaking letters to the Snowimp Society won't they just "file" our form in the Recycling Bin ??
Why can't these a-hole just go to the hundreds of areas that DON'T allow snowmobiles???
We need to come up with the same thing for them.
How many of you have been spit on or a ski pole thrown at you?
Seriously SAWS should make an incident report like they did.....fire with fire.
Or the fact that their on a trail that we help fund and alls we get is kicked off of it.
We need to come up with the same thing for them.
How many of you have been spit on or a ski pole thrown at you?
Seriously SAWS should make an incident report like they did.....fire with fire.
Or the fact that their on a trail that we help fund and alls we get is kicked off of it.
I sent a incident report in.
Said I came across a cross country skier on a trail that I help fund and he would not move over. As I passed him at 5mph he spit on me.
I wanted to finish it with and your fellow cc skier is no longer with us but thought that wouldn't sound real good.
You know damn well people are going to imblesh what actually happens.
Stuff like "used a 2x4 to beat my ars" but in reality it was just my tie down bar.
Part of me things we better watch are azzes but the otherside which is a bigger side says F them lets really give them something to cry about.
They may get us banned but wouldn't it be nice if they weren't ever able to ski again.
Said I came across a cross country skier on a trail that I help fund and he would not move over. As I passed him at 5mph he spit on me.
I wanted to finish it with and your fellow cc skier is no longer with us but thought that wouldn't sound real good.
You know damn well people are going to imblesh what actually happens.
Stuff like "used a 2x4 to beat my ars" but in reality it was just my tie down bar.
Part of me things we better watch are azzes but the otherside which is a bigger side says F them lets really give them something to cry about.
They may get us banned but wouldn't it be nice if they weren't ever able to ski again.
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Ollie
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Because unlike us, they don't have jobs and have nothing better to.
check out their sponsors:
http://www.snowlands.org/who/sponsors/sponsors.html
More businesses that will not get my dollar.
These and other greenie organizations have sponsors with some pretty deep pockets and they have lots of sponsors. The sledding industry needs to come up with a message that resonates with a more diverse group of corporate sponsors.
Sometimes I think we give the manufactuers a free pass in this battle. They should be leading the charge in keeping public lands open to multiple users. T
I have posted this before, the enviromental groups are cleverly pitting motorized and non-motorized users of public lands against one another. By fragmenting the collective groups of users they can pick us off one by one. Mountain bikers face similar land closure issues as sledders.
J
http://www.snowlands.org/who/sponsors/sponsors.html
More businesses that will not get my dollar.
These and other greenie organizations have sponsors with some pretty deep pockets and they have lots of sponsors. The sledding industry needs to come up with a message that resonates with a more diverse group of corporate sponsors.
Sometimes I think we give the manufactuers a free pass in this battle. They should be leading the charge in keeping public lands open to multiple users. T
I have posted this before, the enviromental groups are cleverly pitting motorized and non-motorized users of public lands against one another. By fragmenting the collective groups of users they can pick us off one by one. Mountain bikers face similar land closure issues as sledders.
J
I submitted an incident report as well. I cited an incident report against the founder of the site. It reminds me of the stuff little kids cry about when you were little. "I want my ball back", I'm telling", "then Im not playing anymore", wha wha wha wha. These people are still crying and whining and can't grasp the share idea. If i was even a little computer smart, I would create a similar website that is not one sided but similar in ideas. Not to eliminate or smear a certain user but to promote use for all. These types of people will never change in their beliefs and actions, it takes talking to younger groups more and more and more at which time they will form their opinions and then they will talk and talk and talk-hopefully with some sense.
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I bet that online thing could be easily scripted to fill in so many spam forms that the ones people filled out would be nearly impossible to pick out of the massive pile of junk submissions...
seriously though, makes skiers look like little angels on there. Where do I go to report an assshole skier that blew by us and ran an inexperienced rider off the trail?
seriously though, makes skiers look like little angels on there. Where do I go to report an assshole skier that blew by us and ran an inexperienced rider off the trail?
Other sponsors:
backcountry.com donates 10% of sales
and
Amazon.com donates 5% of sales
Just lost my business.
backcountry.com donates 10% of sales
and
Amazon.com donates 5% of sales
Just lost my business.
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Read some of the other crap on their site, found this... here's their goal... don't exactly see the fairness they are complaining about, just go look at how they have posted the same Yellowstone link we have used to comment, with a template and all. Bunch of fuks....
"
Snowlands Network, therefore, has adopted the following policies for over-the-snow (OSV) motor vehicle recreation:
"
Snowlands Network, therefore, has adopted the following policies for over-the-snow (OSV) motor vehicle recreation:
- The operation of vehicles for recreation on public land is a privilege not a right.
- OSV recreation may be permitted on public land, but only where appropriate and under certain conditions and restrictions:
- <LI type=a>There is a demand for OSV recreation in the area that cannot be met on private land, <LI type=a>There is no significant adverse impact to the environment, vegetation, and wildlife, <LI type=a>The impact on other forms of recreation is minimized, and
- The use is well-regulated and monitored, with effective education, enforcement, conservation, and rehabilitation policies and practices.
- OSV use on public land should be limited primarily to existing, designated roads and trails.
- Limited open riding areas may be permitted where such use will not conflict with other users, will not disturb wildlife or vegetation, and will not harm natural resources.
- Areas should be closed to OSV use unless designated open.
- Regulations requiring minimum snow depths for OSV use should be established and enforced to protect soil, vegetation, and wildlife habitat.
- Adequate environmental analysis must be performed before OSV recreation is permitted. The analysis must take into account the impact of OSV recreation on other users and must have a significant review with public input every 5 years.
- Some portion of each area that permits OSV recreation should be set aside specifically for non-motorized recreation to provide an equivalent recreational opportunity.
- Conflict between user groups must be monitored and mitigated when it occurs. The absence of conflict reports should not be taken as evidence of no conflict.
- The availability of funds for a particular type of recreation is not in itself a justification for providing that form of recreational opportunity.
- All applicable environmental and land management policy regulations must be enforced, including, for National Forests, 36 CFR 295, which states in part:
. . . The planning process will analyze and evaluate current and potential impacts arising from operation of specific vehicle types on soil, water, vegetation, fish and wildlife, forest visitors and cultural and historic resources. If the analysis indicates that the use of one or more vehicle types off roads will cause considerable adverse effects on the resources or other forest visitors, use of the affected areas and trails by the vehicle type or types likely to cause such adverse effects will be restricted or prohibited until such time as the adverse effects can be eliminated as provided in 36 CFR part 261. (36 CFR 295.2(a))
Off-road vehicle management plans shall provide vehicle management direction aimed at resource protection, public safety of all users, minimizing conflicts among users, and provide for diverse use and benefits of the National Forests. Designation of areas and trails shall be in accordance with the following:
. . . (3) Areas and trails shall be located to minimize conflicts between off-road vehicle use and other existing or proposed recreational uses of the same or neighboring public lands, and to ensure the compatibility of such uses with existing conditions in populated areas, taking into account noise and other factors. (36 CFR 295.2(b))
The effects of use by specific types of vehicles off roads on National Forest System lands will be monitored. If the results of monitoring, including public input, indicate that the use of one or more vehicle types off roads is causing or will cause considerable adverse effects on the factors and resource values referred to in Sec. 295.2, the area or trail suffering adverse effects will be immediately closed to the responsible vehicle type or types until the adverse effects have been eliminated and measures have been implemented to prevent future recurrence as provided in 36 CFR part 261. (36 CFR 295.5)"
Off-road vehicle management plans shall provide vehicle management direction aimed at resource protection, public safety of all users, minimizing conflicts among users, and provide for diverse use and benefits of the National Forests. Designation of areas and trails shall be in accordance with the following:
. . . (3) Areas and trails shall be located to minimize conflicts between off-road vehicle use and other existing or proposed recreational uses of the same or neighboring public lands, and to ensure the compatibility of such uses with existing conditions in populated areas, taking into account noise and other factors. (36 CFR 295.2(b))
The effects of use by specific types of vehicles off roads on National Forest System lands will be monitored. If the results of monitoring, including public input, indicate that the use of one or more vehicle types off roads is causing or will cause considerable adverse effects on the factors and resource values referred to in Sec. 295.2, the area or trail suffering adverse effects will be immediately closed to the responsible vehicle type or types until the adverse effects have been eliminated and measures have been implemented to prevent future recurrence as provided in 36 CFR part 261. (36 CFR 295.5)"
unfortunately, most of them have pretty good jobs and worst of all for us, they have connections.
I think a lot of these companies don't know what they are doing when donating. I'm sure when these SnowSallys went to Backcountry for an endorsement they didn't say, "Snowmachines are the work of the Debble!!" <while holding a picture of Tom Cruise up in the air>
I'm sure a lot of companies give doantions to keep them off their back. Besides, Backcountry still sells a plethora of sled-gear/motorized trinkets to trick out your "backcountry" expedition.
Doesn't really matter if the companies know what their supporting or not....they're still supporting our demise.
