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Kx500 or Cr500

wwillf01

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How important is the powervalve for the kx500 snowbiking? It seems to me there is more support and cheaper rebuilds for a Cr500 down the road. I am looking for some cheap power my bike currently is a yzf250 stroked and bored to a 315 and I am wanting more..... can't really get out of 3rd in the real deep stuff 2nd if I am lucky. The problem is I want to keep the 315 because it is great for the summers so my funding is restricted. Thanks.:yo:
 
KX is usually a bit cheaper-has a harder hit stock and more vibes.

The Honda is a bit more refined but is usually a bit more money.

Both will do the job well if set up right.
 
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They are both great choices. Can't go wrong either way. I went with the KX because of the Nikasil cylinder and exhaust valve. The KX and CR have a slight difference in personality also. The KX is a little better on top, high rpm. They both are explosive and produce incredible power. The testing done by Service showed on the dyno, the big 2's produce nearly "double" the torque of a 450F at only 3000rpm. crazy good for boondocking
 
the big 2's produce nearly "double" the torque of a 450F at only 3000rpm
Hmm that seems a little hard to believe. I owned a 500 years ago and they rip but no way it doubles my 450.
 
Snowmobiling as we know is as old as U!

I assume by your avi that motorcycles come first or are your only passion, but let me tell you after getting dragged into Towskis about 15 years ago I feel I got up to speed out of pure irritation. The Snow Hawk rental fleet forced me to learn what we could'nt pay the experts to do after judging my "books" cover, yet inside the story was the same.

Think of CR125R vs a XR200R, an MXZ800R vs a XM800R.

With sleds the power plants are very similar across all brands as long as cc's are in same class, the clutching is the number one ingredient second being jetting/efi/alt comp, third gearing. that determines whether it can flourish in it's environment. With their engines designed to run at the same RPM whether sea level or 14 thousand feet, the clutch tuning determines when all the torque is put down.

Sure a four fitty can be built to be an explosive 70HP and everybody will be fearful of it's wrath, no matter what though to experience being hauled off on a stretcher at Glen Helen you have to spin that hamster wheel to 12k.

The dyno says @ 3000, put a tack on Dungey's bike, bet it stalls before you get a glimpse at 4000! :)
 
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500s are low revving creatures 450s not so much. They sound like low revs but fire only every second revolution the 2 stroke every revolution--so at 3000 rpm you have as many work cycles as a 4 stroke at 6000. Kind of comparing Apples to bananas never mind the oranges.:yo:
 
All this fruit talk, wish I had a fresh peach.

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As a long time CR500 MX and supermoto racer and rider, I'll tell you that with a few mods these engines can be made very potent and reliable for a fraction of what a 450 hand grenade costs to mod. The mods detailed below are good for 20 rear wheel HP over stock:
I always get a stock base line run on a Dyno before I start mods and I have never seen more than 54 HP at the rear wheel, I usually see around 49hp. The motor makes all it's power in a very narrow power band and tops out at just over 6500rpm. To get that motor to run like you want (usable horsepower) you need to raise the exhaust ports 3.5 to 4.0 mm max, and raise the boost port 1 mill, this will raise your rpm to 8500+ spreading out the power over more RPM, if you have a topend pipe custom made and have the PWK carb + 1.5 mm you will hit just over 9000rpm and few more ponies, but that is it, any more RPM than that and your piston wont last long, 15 hours maybe. There are a few problems spinning that kind of RPM with that motor, 1st, the stock squish band on that motor is close to 2 millimeters which is HUGE, you will need to make that smaller. It is very easy to do the work your self, the ports are so big you can use a file to make the exhaust ports larger and finish it off with a dremel, I would use a file to do most of the work, if your not that good with the dremel it's easy to take too much off. There is also a hump on the bottom of the exhaust port, this should NOT be removed it's there to help the exhaust gases flow better. You will then need to raise the boost port 1 mill, thats it for the porting. Now the head, you will need to take off 1.1 mm making the squish .9mm this sound like a lot because it is, your will then need to increase the combustion chamber size, have a motor machinist do this. Have the combustion chamber CC'd to 68CCs this will increase your Torque and HP and stop any detonation at top RPM.
Now the #2 problem of increasing RPM, the crank, it's is going to be spinning a lot faster than stock and you will have a ton more torque, somewhere around 55 ft/lb's. Having the crank balanced, blue printed, and welded to match the pistons weight will prevent the crank from twisting and keep the vibration down, it also is way easier on the main bearings, Falicon Cranks http://www.faliconcranks.com/ will do this and it will be worth every penny. If money is a problem you can just have the stock crank balanced and welded. These mods offer really good performance and reliability, you will get 100+ race hours out of the motor before needing a top end job. In the end you are looking around 68-72+ HP at the rear wheel MAX.
In supermoto race trim I had a friend speed gun the above bike with a 16 tooth front and a 38 rear sprocket running a 17 in tire at 228 kilometers/hour. You will have to run 104 octane or VP MRX01, if your not racing you can run half pump gas and half 104 octane. I know those HP numbers are not what most people expect out of a CR500 but that is the real truth, 65HP stock claimed by Honda is at the crank under perfect conditions and all factory spec are met, realistically 50 HP @the rear wheel stock.
Do youself a favour and install a decompression valve in the head for EZ starting.
 
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They are both great choices. Can't go wrong either way. I went with the KX because of the Nikasil cylinder and exhaust valve. The KX and CR have a slight difference in personality also. The KX is a little better on top, high rpm. They both are explosive and produce incredible power. The testing done by Service showed on the dyno, the big 2's produce nearly "double" the torque of a 450F at only 3000rpm. crazy good for boondocking

You think the KX has better top end?? I used to hill climb, and rode KX 500's for about 8yrs, rode my buddies CR500 a little and I thought the CR felt like it had better top end once it wound up, but the KX's have tractor like low end grunt. Just how it felt to me :face-icon-small-hap
 
By the way wwillf01, from my experience owning 3 KX500's in the past, it is an almost bullet proof engine (except for the clutch, get a Hinson billet basket, and steel plates). I never had to do more than replace pistons and rings and clean powervalves. I would usually do rings every year with a piston about every third year. Disassemble and clean power valves every year. Very simple engine to work on. I did have to have one cylinder replated once due to some minor flaking around the exhaust port and I wanted to fix it before it got worse and caused major damage, but it was about 12 years old also.
 
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