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KTM 500XCW snowbike

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hiltz

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I have a 2015 KTM 500 XC-W + 2016 timbersled ST w/TSS and new to snowbiking, i have installed hand guards, bar mitts, heated grips, oversized pegs and skid plate. I have seen a lot of talk about suspension changes, fuel mapping changes, clutch upgrades and thermobobs with no straight forward conclusions. I know I just need to get out there but...
What should I be focusing on as for the best riding experience?
And Will the bike keep temps with stock thermostat?
Any front suspension changes ? (6'2" 195lbs)
 
You should be pretty good on temp with the stock thermostat. See how it goes and add an engine cover and /or radiator covers if needed as the season goes.

Ride the suspension as it is then decide. Compare to another rider's aftermarket sprung bike if possible. Even if you decide to replace the fork springs with something stiffer fairly soon, at least you'll understand and appreciate it more when you get it. Ha.

With your height, you may end up wanting a couple inches of bar rise as well.

You pretty much sound set, though. The wants and tweeks will come as your season progresses.
 
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Curious, why not get a good tsat and not have engine covers and rad covers ? I have looked at the ktm stats and even used some ktm stats and if you look at the ktm stats they let a lot of fluid past which doesnt allow the temps to come up. They get even worse as they get older. Thoughts ?
 
Summitboy,
That is why I said "pretty good". Ha. While not perfect, the KTM stats are worlds better than nothing and will typically let you run good temps. My stock stat did as good as can be expected on a 2004 KTM 525 before engine cover, but adding the the engine shroud changed it from pretty good to near perfect. Yes a stat with no bypass might be even better, but mine runs between 180 and 200 degrees all day long on the original 2004 KTM stat with an engine cover. I was just saying the KTM stat is pretty good and will do the job if one doesn't want to keep tinkering or spend the money on the thermobob or avid stats and housings. I actually planned on upgrading to those, but once I put on an engine cover and my bike running at the desired temps like it does, I can't justify it because what would improve? I already have a coolant temp sensor plumbed, but for those that don't, the benefit of the aftermarket stat housing having temp sensor fittings would be another perk.

Hiltz,
If you want to jump in and have the time and money now, then I agree with summitboy on going ahead and doing a thermobob or avid right off the bat. I was just saying the stock is pretty good and by adding the engine cover, you may find there is no need to change from the stock stat.

Oh, and either wrap and silicon your exhaust pipe, put on a pipe guard, or ensure your pants are heat resistant on the cuffs to avoid melted pant leg. Two years ago, I removed my pipe and wrapped it and then used an entire can of the wrap-specific silicon sealant over a two day period and it's still good after two seasons (though I did touch up the pipe, while still on the bike, with about a 1/4 can of the same silicon spray. Only a handful of rides last year so the pipe wrap is good to go for a third season).

It will smoke and stink the first time or two you start it and it cooks a bit, so do that outside, but it's worked well for me and seems to reduce steam as well. Just make sure it dries out well at the end of each ride. Generally moisture in the wrap is only an issue if you do not silicon seal it or as the silicon wears off or is damaged. In those instances, wraps can get some moisture in it and you want that all burned out rather than sitting with it in the wrap and the moisture against your pipe. The trail ride back is typically plenty to ensure it's pretty dry and heated up but just something to be aware of.
 
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KTM 500 , Installed Thermo Bob ,Dobeck fuel controller ,Euro mapping ,Power core Slipon muffler with carbon fiber tip ,Eline carbon fiber header guard ,Trail Tec digital readout gauges one installed to the Thermo Bob ,and another plumbed off the cylinder (big allen plug on rh side 8mm )for two witness temp readings ,cut bottom off air box ,rerouted breather tube from valve cover with separate prefilter (water can build up in metal fitting molded to air boot and freeze ) , no engine covers, temps run between 185 -223 ). also used #56 fork springs. this setup put other 500's to shame
 
My advice? Just ride the bastard and figure it out after. You are starting with SUCH a better setup than I first had 5 years ago and way more "mods". I would say the Thermobob TB3 stat is the only thing you really should do. Go figure out the rest on the hill.

There will always be places to spend money. Don't let that get in the way of actually riding.
 
I have a 2015 501FE Husky with a LT and TSS... anyone have pdf's of the install instructions so I can start tear down? My kit is at the dealer ready for pickup but I can't get there till Monday, and I can't find any of the instructions on the new site.

BTW, I opted to buy a Seat Concepts seat, risers, heated grips, adventure pegs, fastway bark busters, cyclops LED bulb replacement and a Thermobob with water gauge to start out. I'll wait to see how the front end is before I make a change there. Spoke to Iceage about the new TSS, they've ridden some already and said it makes a pretty decent difference on how much weight is shifted to the forks on a landing. Oh, and also going to wrap my header and coat it with silicon...
 
What kind of spray silicon are you guys spraying on your wrapped header? I haven't done any engine mods to my 2013 Husaberg FE501 and it seems to run fine. My next engine mod will 2016 KTM 450.
 
Instructions!

I have a 2015 501FE Husky with a LT and TSS... anyone have pdf's of the install instructions so I can start tear down? My kit is at the dealer ready for pickup but I can't get there till Monday, and I can't find any of the instructions on the new site.

BTW, I opted to buy a Seat Concepts seat, risers, heated grips, adventure pegs, fastway bark busters, cyclops LED bulb replacement and a Thermobob with water gauge to start out. I'll wait to see how the front end is before I make a change there. Spoke to Iceage about the new TSS, they've ridden some already and said it makes a pretty decent difference on how much weight is shifted to the forks on a landing. Oh, and also going to wrap my header and coat it with silicon...

Here you go!

http://polaris.hs.llnwd.net/o40/tsl/2016/img/model/installation/short-track.pdf
 
What kind of spray silicon are you guys spraying on your wrapped header?


Design Engineering brand; just like the wrap. Available many places, but here is the manufacturer's site:
https://www.designengineering.com//...exhaust-wraps-accessories/ht-silicone-coating

Here is the wrap.
http://www.designengineering.com/ca...cle-exhaust-pipe-wrap-kits/exhaust-wrap-black

I bought a 50' roll of 2" wide and you will get at least 2 or 3 pipes worth out of it. Not sure as my first wrap is on it's third season. I thought I'd need to re-wrap every year, hence the 50', but I haven't. I think the key to make it last is using an entire can of the silicon spray, over a couple days, on that first installation and letting it really soak in and dry a bit in a non-freezing environment. Then have another can for touch ups should the coating get damaged or just start to burn off.

Follow the directions for the wrap and it goes on pretty good; quick dip in water, strrrretch it with tension as you wrap it, and make sure you start and the back of the pipe and work your way forward so the overlap is layered the right direction (though the first few inches where it comes out of the head will be backwards just because the pipe goes in two directions over it's length. the silicon spray helps with that, too since it puts a thick coating over your layers, like a cast). I tied one end to a post to ensure I could really stretch and pull it as I wrapped the pipe. Also, pay attention to your overlap. Recommendations are in the instructions for each width (and "more" overlap is not better).

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Summitboy,
That is why I said "pretty good". Ha. While not perfect, the KTM stats are worlds better than nothing and will typically let you run good temps. My stock stat did as good as can be expected on a 2004 KTM 525 before engine cover, but adding the the engine shroud changed it from pretty good to near perfect. Yes a stat with no bypass might be even better, but mine runs between 180 and 200 degrees all day long on the original 2004 KTM stat with an engine cover. I was just saying the KTM stat is pretty good and will do the job if one doesn't want to keep tinkering or spend the money on the thermobob or avid stats and housings. I actually planned on upgrading to those, but once I put on an engine cover and my bike running at the desired temps like it does, I can't justify it because what would improve? I already have a coolant temp sensor plumbed, but for those that don't, the benefit of the aftermarket stat housing having temp sensor fittings would be another perk.

Hiltz,
If you want to jump in and have the time and money now, then I agree with summitboy on going ahead and doing a thermobob or avid right off the bat. I was just saying the stock is pretty good and by adding the engine cover, you may find there is no need to change from the stock stat.

Oh, and either wrap and silicon your exhaust pipe, put on a pipe guard, or ensure your pants are heat resistant on the cuffs to avoid melted pant leg. Two years ago, I removed my pipe and wrapped it and then used an entire can of the wrap-specific silicon sealant over a two day period and it's still good after two seasons (though I did touch up the pipe, while still on the bike, with about a 1/4 can of the same silicon spray. Only a handful of rides last year so the pipe wrap is good to go for a third season).

It will smoke and stink the first time or two you start it and it cooks a bit, so do that outside, but it's worked well for me and seems to reduce steam as well. Just make sure it dries out well at the end of each ride. Generally moisture in the wrap is only an issue if you do not silicon seal it or as the silicon wears off or is damaged. In those instances, wraps can get some moisture in it and you want that all burned out rather than sitting with it in the wrap and the moisture against your pipe. The trail ride back is typically plenty to ensure it's pretty dry and heated up but just something to be aware of.

Thanks for the feedback this answered my questions! Good to know I can get advice when I need it.

My advice? Just ride the bastard and figure it out after. You are starting with SUCH a better setup than I first had 5 years ago and way more "mods". I would say the Thermobob TB3 stat is the only thing you really should do. Go figure out the rest on the hill.

There will always be places to spend money. Don't let that get in the way of actually riding.

Thanks dude I will get out ASAP... just need some snow close to home. If I had some now I would already be out rippin but since I can't I just want to tweak anything I can haha, I'm also waiting on my TSS to show up.
 
Mapping

KTM 500 , Installed Thermo Bob ,Dobeck fuel controller ,Euro mapping ,Power core Slipon muffler with carbon fiber tip ,Eline carbon fiber header guard ,Trail Tec digital readout gauges one installed to the Thermo Bob ,and another plumbed off the cylinder (big allen plug on rh side 8mm )for two witness temp readings ,cut bottom off air box ,rerouted breather tube from valve cover with separate prefilter (water can build up in metal fitting molded to air boot and freeze ) , no engine covers, temps run between 185 -223 ). also used #56 fork springs. this setup put other 500's to shame

Please tell me about your Euro Mapping! I am trying to change my map to utilize my Ignition Advance Switch. I have had my bike down at my local KTM dealer for two days trying to find the map to download. He contacted KTM and since its a "XC-W" (a potential "on-road" bike) he said that he shouldn't even be talking to him about changing the ECU. KTM was no help whatsoever and will not tell him where to find the map or how to unlock it, etc.

The map number straight from Trail Tech is KM787EU12CO601. This is the map for the XC-W model that will unlock the Ignition Advance feature but since KTM won't hand it over, where to I find it??

Also, will the Dobeck effect the ECU? Its a closed loop fuel and it shouldn't effect anything as far as mapping goes, correct?

Please Help!!
 
Front Suspension and a ride plate

I have a 2015 KTM 500 XC-W + 2016 timbersled ST w/TSS and new to snowbiking, i have installed hand guards, bar mitts, heated grips, oversized pegs and skid plate. I have seen a lot of talk about suspension changes, fuel mapping changes, clutch upgrades and thermobobs with no straight forward conclusions. I know I just need to get out there but...
What should I be focusing on as for the best riding experience?
And Will the bike keep temps with stock thermostat?
Any front suspension changes ? (6'2" 195lbs)


I really recommend putting heavier springs and re-valving the front forks. I had mine done through Motion Industries RG3 suspension https://www.facebook.com/Motion-Sports-RG3-NW-Suspension-Center-181655111861559/?fref=nf

I shipped them down from Alaska in a shotgun case and got them back in a few weeks. Awesome service and even more awesome results! The front end can take anything you throw at it now, its bouncy playful and soft through the woops. No more deadly ski wheelies coming off of jumps and dropping down steep faces. This coupled with my TSS is a world of difference!
 
I really recommend putting heavier springs and re-valving the front forks. I had mine done through Motion Industries RG3 suspension https://www.facebook.com/Motion-Sports-RG3-NW-Suspension-Center-181655111861559/?fref=nf

I shipped them down from Alaska in a shotgun case and got them back in a few weeks. Awesome service and even more awesome results! The front end can take anything you throw at it now, its bouncy playful and soft through the woops. No more deadly ski wheelies coming off of jumps and dropping down steep faces. This coupled with my TSS is a world of difference!

I'm sure I can find a local shop here to do it I couldn't imagine how much that cost in shipping alone!?
 
Please tell me about your Euro Mapping! I am trying to change my map to utilize my Ignition Advance Switch. I have had my bike down at my local KTM dealer for two days trying to find the map to download. He contacted KTM and since its a "XC-W" (a potential "on-road" bike) he said that he shouldn't even be talking to him about changing the ECU. KTM was no help whatsoever and will not tell him where to find the map or how to unlock it, etc.

The map number straight from Trail Tech is KM787EU12CO601. This is the map for the XC-W model that will unlock the Ignition Advance feature but since KTM won't hand it over, where to I find it??

Also, will the Dobeck effect the ECU? Its a closed loop fuel and it shouldn't effect anything as far as mapping goes, correct?

Please Help!!

Talk to TJ at Dyno Jet. He just changed some of my numbers and the bike is running great. It is a 500 XCW with the PCV
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=400335
 
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