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Killing our great Bald Eagles

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CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) — A federal government decision to allow a Wyoming tribe to kill two bald eagles for a religious ceremony is a victory for American Indian sovereignty as well as for long-suppressed religious freedoms, the tribe says.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service granted a permit March 9 to the Northern Arapaho Tribe allowing it either to kill or capture and release two bald eagles this year.

While no one questions the religious sincerity of Northern Arapaho tribal members, spokesmen for some conservation and animal rights groups question why the tribe can't meet its religious needs without killing wild eagles. They say the tribe could raise captive birds, or accept eagle feathers or carcasses already available from a federal repository that collects birds killed by power lines or other causes.

The Northern Arapaho share the Wind River Indian Reservation in central Wyoming with the Eastern Shoshone Tribe. The Northern Arapaho decline to say specifically what they will do with the eagles the federal permit allows them to kill.

"It has been since the beginning of time with us, and we respectfully utilize the eagle in our ceremonies," said Harvey Spoonhunter, a tribal elder and former chairman of the Northern Arapaho Business Council. "We get to utilize the eagle, which we consider a messenger to the Creator."

Bald eagles were removed from the federal list of threatened species in 2007. The birds remain protected under the federal Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. Several Indian tribes have been allowed permits to kill golden eagles for religious purposes.

Suzan Shown Harjo, president of the Morning Star Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based American Indian rights group, notes that only a few tribes still practice ceremonies that require them to kill eagles.

From the 1880s to the 1930s, the federal government enforced so-called "Civilization Regulations" that criminalized traditional ceremonies, including the Northern Arapaho's Sun Dance. Many Indian religious ceremonies were stamped out, Harjo said.

"They've done the correct thing, the proper thing. It's a good step in the direction of the United States trying to make amends for things that they did all too well to suppress Native American religious freedom for so long," Harjo said.

Andy Baldwin, lawyer for the Northern Arapaho Tribe, said the tribe went to court last fall to get the bald eagle permit following the federal prosecution of Winslow Friday, a young tribal member who shot a bald eagle on the Wind River Indian Reservation in 2005 for the Sun Dance. Friday ultimately pleaded guilty and was ordered to pay a fine in tribal court.

"One of the goals of the current suit is to prevent any young men like Winslow Friday from being prosecuted in the future for practicing their traditional religious ceremonies," Baldwin said this week.

The Fish and Wildlife Service says it issued the permit in response to the tribe's application, not the lawsuit it filed against the agency.

Federal lawyers filed a status report in the lawsuit this week saying that the Eastern Shoshone Tribe had opposed the killing of eagles on the reservation the two tribes share. The Northern Arapaho permit specifies the two bald eagles must be killed or captured off the reservation.

Edward Wemytewa, a member of the Zuni Tribe in western New Mexico, said he's happy for the Northern Arapaho.

"The common theme for a lot of indigenous peoples is that the bird, it brings not only strength and courage, it's just one of those creatures that still brings awe to many, many people," he said of eagles.

The Zuni Tribe has a federal permit allowing it to keep live eagles, most of which come from raptor rehabilitation projects while some are caught in the wild. Wemytewa declined to say whether any Zuni practices require killing eagles.

"I think because of ceremonies, our language has survived, our communities have survived, and I think that is one of the keys for endurance of Native American culture," Wemytewa said. "So if again, other tribes harvest birds for sacrifice in the name of ceremony and tradition, and longevity and health, I guess it makes sense."

Reaction to the Northern Arapaho bald eagle permit was muted among some non-Indian groups.

"We hold bald eagles in great esteem as well, and as a humane organization, we don't want to see them killed," said Wayne Pacelle, president of The Humane Society of the United States.

Saying his group understands the importance of many animals in Native American culture, Pacelle said, "in this case, we had hoped they would use feathers and carcasses that they could obtain from trustworthy sources and not resort to direct killing."

Brian Rutledge, vice president for the Rocky Mountain Region of the National Audubon Society, said his group encourages tribes to raise captive birds, rather than killing wild ones.

"But we understand that there are religious decisions that are made here that may not be understandable to all, but are well within the rights of the people acting on them," Rutledge said.

Matt Hogan, assistant regional director for the Fish and Wildlife Service in Denver, said no other applications to kill bald eagles are pending. And Harjo emphasized the Northern Arapaho permit isn't likely to unleash a flood of applications from other tribes.

"This isn't a wholesale run on the bald eagle that would drive them back into an endangered or threatened position," Harjo said. She emphasized that only a few tribes have intact ceremonies involving eagles and said that only a few individuals within those tribes have a religious need to kill wild birds.

On the Wind River Indian Reservation, the Northern Arapaho are preparing for spring. Nelson White, a tribal elder, said his people are listening for this year's first clap of thunder.

"That thunder represents the eagle hollering," White said. "And when that happens, that's when everything is waking up. The grass is coming back up, the birds are coming back, the plants and animals that were in hibernation are coming out. It's a new beginning."

"So in essence, with this decision, with this you might say victory, we say 'ho'hou,' — 'thank you,'" White said.
 
I believe they have the right to their centuries old religous ceromonies...But I also believe that they should have to procur their animals the centuries old way, bow & arrow. If it's an ancient custom, do it the way your forefathers did it.
If I'm not mistaken, members of a rez are allowed to harvest multiple elk, deer, moose, etc every year because of centuries old treaties. But now they have the same advanced equipment that the rest of us do...high powered rifles, optics, 4wd's, 2ways.. Just seems to be a bit of an oxymoron to me.
&..the indians don't seem too concerned about losing their traditional ways of life when they're contemplating building a new casino on their "sacred" ground..Just my .02
 
There are a lot of eagles injured every year, mostly broken wings. I always thought that the birds were rescued and sent to places that take care of them. I found out differently when I learned that G&F just goes out and kills the injured birds. No reason the Indians can' have a few of these birds. They don't need to kill healthy ones.
 
This thread is amazingly spot on........


I like taking illegal aliens and pretending they are bald eagles...
 
This has happened before. The native americans also pettitioned to harpoon a whale off of the coast of Washington state.
If we could convince the Kootenai tribe in Bonners Ferry Idaho to hunt 1 caribou each year, we could get the last 4 out of Idaho.... And get 375,000 acres of public land back open to snowmobiling and logging.
Any takers? In the Bonners Ferry Herald, a memeber of the Kootenai tribe wrote a very funny letter to the editor regarding the 375,000 acres. Apparently when the Kootenai tribe surrendered, the last 12 remaining members were only given 7 acres total. So their argument was to give the caribou the same amount of land....
 
I believe they have the right to their centuries old religous ceromonies...But I also believe that they should have to procur their animals the centuries old way, bow & arrow. If it's an ancient custom, do it the way your forefathers did it.
If I'm not mistaken, members of a rez are allowed to harvest multiple elk, deer, moose, etc every year because of centuries old treaties. But now they have the same advanced equipment that the rest of us do...high powered rifles, optics, 4wd's, 2ways.. Just seems to be a bit of an oxymoron to me.
&..the indians don't seem too concerned about losing their traditional ways of life when they're contemplating building a new casino on their "sacred" ground..Just my .02

not sure how you americans have it but i know the cannuck inuits have to shoot their first caribou and polar bear with a bow and arrow and a rifle is forbidden...
 
Let me give you some insight. Although NOT a native myself, I live and work on the 'rez'. Age old 'traditions' are dying off on the rez faster than our rights as Americans are. I won't speak for all of them, but for the most part if you give them an inch they will take a good mile and a half. It's pretty depressing to see a community of people live the way they do when there are unmeasurable amounts of resources available to them to succeed in life. I could go on and on, but I don't want to derail the thread.

This movement to 'legally' take 2 eagles for a ceremony is the same as any other attempt at pushing the movement of being a sovereign entity. If it's truly for ceremonial purposes, how frikkin long has it been since the last time they conducted the ceremony that they have to go through this red tape shiz??? Seems a little odd to me, unless it's only done every 20-30 years for some reason. I agree that they should have to utilize the old school weapons for harvest as well.
 
@racer I definitely agree. I don't understand why more native americans don't use their free ride at any state university to the fullest extent.
 
So are you saying they can go and shoot any American Citizen, since we were the original Illegal Alien?

Your kidding right???? I don't believe any of us are the "original" illegal aliens, we would be damned old if we were. All the "original" illegal aliens are dead. Pretty sure the ones he is talking about are the alive illegal alliens, not decendants of the "original" illegal aliens. I believe it was also proven that the Native Americans aren't even native to this land. They also migrated here across the land that once connected Russia to the North American continent. Am I wrong? I slept through most of Geography
 
Your kidding right???? I don't believe any of us are the "original" illegal aliens, we would be damned old if we were. All the "original" illegal aliens are dead. Pretty sure the ones he is talking about are the alive illegal alliens, not decendants of the "original" illegal aliens. I believe it was also proven that the Native Americans aren't even native to this land. They also migrated here across the land that once connected Russia to the North American continent. Am I wrong? I slept through most of Geography

The dinosaurs were here first? Or was it "the retarded offspring of five monkeys who had butt-sex with a fish-squirrel."
 
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