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Keeping wheeled vehicles off groomed trails

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AMSOILR

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Is there an easy solution for keeping wheeled vehicles ( cars, trucks and ATVs ) off groomed snowmobile trails. I know it's against the law, but alot of people are unaware of it. We had a semi on one trail. The driver was told that was the shortest route to his destination. :face-icon-small-dis
 
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I don't know of any. Other than taking the license number down and reporting it (like that does any good)... no groomer sticker no trail right? Doesn't seem to work like that. I have confronted them but they just play dumb. If you kick them in the head you get in trouble. Nope I don't know of any good ways either...
 
I dont know about Idaho but in SD we actively go after those who drive wheeled vehicles on the snowmobile trail. I write several tickets per winter season for wheeled vehicles on the trail. Occationally the ticket for operating on the trail turns into a DUI or drug possession arrest. I have found all kinds of vehicles including compact cars, suv's, pickups, ATV's and even a taxi cab. Some had spent a night and were glad to see me even with ticket book in hand, other's not so glad to see me. The reports I get come from both groomer operators and snowmobilers. I always appreciate the information from the snowmobiling public. If you have problems with wheeled vehicles on the trail find out who is responsible for snowmobile patrol in your area and how best to contact them when you find vehicles on the trail.
 
Wheeled vehicles are not the only problem, a couple years ago a horseback rider was riding on a groomed trail, sled came around the corner and bam sled and horse collided. It was in eastern Idaho. Around here on one of our groomed sled trails we also have an individual who takes rides with their horses 3 to be exact, rides one and leads two others. Now talk about creating havic on a groomed trail, those clodds and holes the horses make are brutal, also coming around a corner and running into this person, which I've done was not fun either, horses scattered, I grabbed on the brakes and the person who was riding the horse just looked at me and signaled to us to slow down. The undersheriff of the county was with me at that time if I remember correctly. He said there was nothing he could do about it no county ordinence against it. Don't know about state law though. I never did hear the final outcome of the incident from eastern Idaho though..Hmmm
 
Maybe better signs? As ROAD CLOSED signs don't seem to be doing it, I think we need some huge neon ones with flashing lights showing a truck stuck in the snow?

Last trip up to cooke in feb. we saw a pickup stuck on the trail. Also talked a couple in a car in the parking lot out of doing the same thing! :face-icon-small-dis
 
SDSNOCOP....Wish you were here

SDSNOCOP..... I wish we had you out here. We have tried to work with the county sheriff and there is just not much response. We have members in our snowmobile club that are Search and Rescue members, but the sheriff says there is a liability problem with deputizing them. It would be ideal if we had someone that rode snowmobiles and could write tickets. We don't have that. We run into a lot of snowmobilers that don't register as well and can't do a thing about it. We still trying to get this problem fixed.
 
Wheeled vehicles are not the only problem, a couple years ago a horseback rider was riding on a groomed trail, sled came around the corner and bam sled and horse collided.


If a sledder is coming around a corner and can't prevent himself from hitting a horse..how would he avoid a sled traveling at a high speed?


Some states set a certain date like March 15th then the wheeled vehicle closure is lifted. Not sure about Idaho though?

I could personally care less what travels on a road and when.

All this kinda sounds like the greenies trying to keep me out of an area so just they can use it.
 
yeah.. if there is so little snow you can drive on it.. maybe you need a new hobby. All the places around here.. gates are closed during the wheeled vehicle restriction till say april 15 or something like that, then the gates open and you can try and drive as far as you want... so good for spring riding....

and yeah, on the horse. if you going so fast and run into something, doubt the horse was moving as fast as an oncoming sled.. just slow down.

as far as somebody said a semi.... if you can drive a semi throught a trail more then 10 feet...its not a snomobile trail, its an icy road.
 
SDSNOCOP..... I wish we had you out here. We have tried to work with the county sheriff and there is just not much response. We have members in our snowmobile club that are Search and Rescue members, but the sheriff says there is a liability problem with deputizing them. It would be ideal if we had someone that rode snowmobiles and could write tickets. We don't have that. We run into a lot of snowmobilers that don't register as well and can't do a thing about it. We still trying to get this problem fixed.

I wish you all the luck in finding snowmobile law enforcement solutions for your area. I can understand the Sheriff's hesitation to add snowmobile LE to his duties. Most County departments are underfunded and under staffed and he is right about the liabilities of deputizing search and rescue personnel.
I work for the SD Dept of Game. Fish and Parks as a LE Park Ranger. I provide LE for the SD State Parks and Recreation area for most of the year. In the winter I am assigned to do snowmobile LE in the Black Hills. 2 of us cover this duty which alows for someone to be on the trails 7 days a week through the winter season. Most of the trails are located on Forest Service lands with some crossing private lands. The SD Dept of GFP, Division of Parks and Recreation is responsible for administering and maintaining snowmobile trails on FS lands. My responsibility is handling LE issues such as licensing, accident response and investigation, trespass issues, Search and Rescue, and any other snowmobile related LE issues both on and off trail. During the time I work snowmobile LE I code my time, travel expenses, and equipment expense to the SD snowmobile trails program fund which is funded by snowmobile license sales, share of gas tax monies, and sales tax on the sale of new and used snowmobiles.
I do not know how Idaho is set up for snowmobile trail funding or how they staff their State Parks but in SD without the dedicated funding source and personnel dedicated for snowmobile LE we would be in the same boat as your state. I have been doing snowmobile LE in the Black Hills for the past 18 years and usually ride 4-5 thousand miles per season but I am one the few officers that was a snowmobiler before becoming a snowmobile cop and still am a snowmobiler. I think for most states a person with that background would be hard to find.
As far as the comments on non-motorized uses of the snowmobile trail, SD only prohibits other motorized use of the trail. The trail is still open to hikers, skiers, snow-shoers, horse, dog sleds etc. A snowmobiler still must expect to find almost anything around the next curve and drive defensively. I have never had a close call with a non-motorized trail user but I have had many with inexperienced riders on rental sleds.
 
I live up here in north Idaho the roads that we ride are not gated only a couple are. the rest are forest service roads.It does suck though when some one goes up the road with a truck or a 4 wheeler it tears up the trail preety bad most the time,i dont know if there is a law making it illegal for people to do that in Idaho?But we do have forest service cops that are out alot of the time making sure sleds are registered if your not you get a ticket.
 
This may be a silly suggestion, but why don't the trail groomers just put up a snow birm to physically keep anything but a sled off the trail?

At least that is what they do around here and it works great... A 3ft to 6ft tall snow birm stops em all.

Just a thought.:beer;
 
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yeah, you plow up the edges of the lots into a bank, works good, acts as a ramp, and unless your retarted your not gonna get into the trail. thats how lots of the places im used to do it... seems to be working.
 
I think your right

It states no access during the winter snowmobile season...isn't that over?

I think your right. The groomers quit several weeks ago. The lower part of the trails are melted out now. We had to drive in about 2 miles from to find snow a week ago. There's not much they can do to you now. We have got some serious snow the last few days. :face-icon-small-hap
 
This shows what the State of Idaho says about vehicles on groomed trails. Counties do have the option to choose how they regulate it. Our county has a fine of $67.50.

http://legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2009/S1061.pdf

South Dakota's fine for wheeled vehicles on the trail is $110. If the vehicle is stuck on the trail the state of SD will bill the operator $60 per hour to remove it by sno-cat and fix the trail. If the vehicle was left abondoned it is drug to the nearest road for a wrecker to haul away. The operator is billed by the state for the sno-cat time and the operator must pay the wrecker service for tow and storage fee's and sign for the citation before they can pick it up.
 
Idaho needs to take some lessons

South Dakota's fine for wheeled vehicles on the trail is $110. If the vehicle is stuck on the trail the state of SD will bill the operator $60 per hour to remove it by sno-cat and fix the trail. If the vehicle was left abondoned it is drug to the nearest road for a wrecker to haul away. The operator is billed by the state for the sno-cat time and the operator must pay the wrecker service for tow and storage fee's and sign for the citation before they can pick it up.

Now we're talkin. Idaho needs to take some lessons from you guys. Idaho has the most groomed trails in of any state out west and I think just the amount of trails makes it hard to cover. (7200 miles of groomed trails)
 
I find it incredible that this is a problem. In Tahoe you drive off the road, even onto something groomed and you are sinking in up to the frame and only got 10ft in.
 
Berm it up

This may be a silly suggestion, but why don't the trail groomers just put up a snow birm to physically keep anything but a sled off the trail?

At least that is what they do around here and it works great... A 3ft to 6ft tall snow birm stops em all.

Just a thought.:beer;

I think the snow berm idea is a great one. If I were in charge that's what it would be. Just make a physical barrier that would stop most problems.
 
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