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Installation and Review: Mountain Performance Inc, Stage 1 & 2 Supercharger

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118. Route the long return hose from the oil cooler down the frame side, across the upper frame cross member and down to the oil tank. Connect the banjo fitting to the top of the oil tank. THERE MUST BE A COPPER WASHER ON EACH SIDE OF THE BANJO FITTING (1 between the tank and the banjo and a 2nd between the banjo and the bolt head). Position and zip tie the line as shown in the illustrations. See Figures 66 & 67.


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One thing that I would mention on the install of the Relocator is how you have to bend the bottom mount to make it work with the kit. I am one of those people who like to see if they can make something seemingly easy work without reading the instructions. After trying for twenty minutes to see how this thing went together I finally read the instructions and saw that you have to bend the bottom mount to fit.
 
OFT Relocator Installation

http://oftracing.com/Sled Products/Relocator/the relocator.pdf

Step 11

Remove lower OEM bearing and install new steering block bottom half and Oilite bushing. Bend mounting studs forward/downward gently until the block is flush with the sub-frame mounting tab. Install upper block half, bushing, bearing retainer plate, nut retainer, and nuts. Finger tighten.

We used a 10mm deep socket, and an extension to gently pry the studs forward/downward.
 
Looks like I have one last item to go buy, a Electric Skillet, to heat up the pulleys.

Strange, but my wife isn't very excited about be cooking sled parts in her's! :brokenheart:
 
Looks like I have one last item to go buy, a Electric Skillet, to heat up the pulleys.

Strange, but my wife isn't very excited about be cooking sled parts in her's! :brokenheart:


Tommorrow is saturday. . I bet there is a garage sale or 2 in your town that would have a electric grill cheap
 
Hose Clamps and Salvation

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You seem to be really into the cool stuff...Heres another one for your Christopher.

Whenever I use worm drive hose clamps.. I cant really use the perforated types anymore...

The Mercedes of hose clamps...AWAB smooth bore.

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Electric skillets and George Foreman grilles...
Best price in town
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You seem to be really into the cool stuff...Heres another one for your Christopher.

Whenever I use worm drive hose clamps.. I cant really use the perforated types anymore...

The Mercedes of hose clamps...AWAB smooth bore.

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Showing my ignorance again here...

Do these have as much BITE as a worm gear?
Meaning, will they hold as much load?
 
Showing my ignorance again here...

Do these have as much BITE as a worm gear?
Meaning, will they hold as much load?

These are worm gear, just stronger....they make an even stronger one for thingsmlike throttle bodies....or at least that what they got used for in the old RX-1 turbo days.....
 
A SERIOUS PROBLEM.

For the last couple days I have been preparing to install the pulleys that transfer power from the PTO shaft via the belt to the Supercharger.

Yesterday we did the first "Test Fit" to make sure everything was ready to go with the install.

First thing I discovered is that the grove/notch on the input shaft of the Supercharger is NOT the same width as the one on the PTO shaft. This meant that the small key doesn't fit into the slot to attach the pulley. My first thought was that the key was too thick, but when I measured it both of the keys were identical. Sure enough, the two slots are not the same.

Right now it looks like I will have to grind several thousands off of the side walls of the slot on the Supercharger input shaft to make room for the key to fit down in there.

NOT HAPPY.

But thats not my main concern.

The real issue that is causing me SERIOUS HEARTACHE right now is that the belt is SO TIGHT on the two pulleys, that there is NO WAY to mount the two pulleys and then slip the belt onto them!

I should mention that the manual goes to GREAT LENGTHS to explain EXACTLY how these two pulleys and the belt is to be installed.
This one step has more instructions associated with it than any other in the entire installation process.

So far, the only way I have been able to get the belt onto the pulleys is to mount it BEFORE I slide them onto the two shafts. This means I would have to try and mount TWO HOT pulleys with the belt on them at the same time! And that is absolutely NOT what the manual is saying to do nor what all of the included photos show.

The belt is TOO SHORT to mount properly.


BUT..

I called one of my friends who is a tech over at Rexburg Motor Sports who has installed many of these kits and asked him if they had seen the same problems. Sure enough, he said EVERY kit they have tried to install has the very same problems.

Their solution is to mount the lower pulley and allow it to cool.

Then slide the belt onto the pulley 50% of the way

Then mount the upper pulley, while HOT, with the belt on it, and have a 2nd man crank the engine slowly from the other side so the belt won't MELT on the hot pulley while seating the pulley to the shaft.

He said they had melted several belts while perfecting this maneuver.

In my opinion this is a PISS POOR SOLUTION !

So far as I can see, it is IMPOSSIBLE to follow the instruction in the manual to install this belt.

Either the manual needs to be changed in a BIG WAY, or we need a belt that is 1-2 teeth longer.

Right Now I am NOT a Happy Camper.
 
DRIVE SYSTEM INSTALL NOTES ON SPROCKET INSTALLATION
(Setscrews loosen which results in sprockets starting to wobble and eventually, they will come off the shaft. You may notice an unusual vibration or an unusual noise at idle. If it comes loose it will cause damage that is not covered under your warranty (including sprockets).

A. Improper tightening of taper lock. It is possible to get 40 in-lbs but have the taper bushing slightly sideways. Once the sled is ridden the bushing / sprocket set will self align, however , if it was not aligned / centered during installation the setscrews will not be tight and the set will “self eject”. If a sprocket / bushing set comes off or wobbles badly, typically neither can be reused

B. Additionally, MPI has upgraded the aluminum in the sprockets from 6061 to 7075. 7075 is much harder and makes a better sprocket, unfortunately it is less forgiving for misalignment on the taperlock. The older, softer aluminum would conform easier to the taperlock. The harder aluminum is a much better product, but is more difficult to keep installed. By following the procedure indicated, you should be able to yield 100% success.

C. Refer to the Taper Lock to Key Gap drawing, Figure 68. Remove any rough edges on the Taper Lock and/or the woodruff key. If the Taper Lock is installed into the Sprocket, remove the taper lock from the sprocket. Test fit the taper lock onto the shaft. Refer back to the drawing to verify that you have the appropriate clearance over the keyway. If there is interference on the keyway, it is best to EVENLY file the keyway in the Taper Lock.

D. Put the Taper Lock bushing into the sprocket from the outside. Start 2 set screws into the holes that are 180 degrees across from each other. About 5-6 turns on the setscrew so that the bushing still moves up and down just a little bit.

E. Slide the lower drive sprocket on as far as possible, and then pull it back out just a bit (0.002” to 0.010”). See Figure 69.

F. Temporarily reinstall & tighten taper-lock set screws to 40 in-lbs in even steps (#1 screw, #2 screw and back and forth until there is no screw movement). Set you alignment as described below in the instructions. It is acceptable to have as much as 1/8” (0.125”) of misalignment, but less is always better. Figure 70.

G. Note the position of the Taper Lock on the Shaft (and PTO), you will need to remove the sprockets and replace them back into this position without spending time to realign them.

H. Once you satisfied with your alignment, remove both sprockets. Reset the set screws into the tightening position.

I. The next steps will be performed individually on each sprocket. Do not heat both sprockets at the same time.

J. We recommend that you do the PTO sprocket 1st. Also, don’t forget that some Sprocket combinations require that the belt be put on with the top Sprocket. You will know this from your test fit.

K. We recommend that you use an electric skillet or electric frying pan to heat the sprockets. This item is available from Wal-Mart or similar for about $20.00. Preheat the frying pan to about 375F (not over 400F). The aluminum can be damaged if it is heated above 400F (but the pan would probably have to be well over 400F to do that). Some pulleys are marked with heat sensitive paint, The paint is on the face and should be facing UP in the pan (and the taper lock should be installed into the sprocket; but not tightened). The goal is to melt the paint.

L. Remove the Sprocket/Taper Lock from the pan and quickly install on the Shaft (or PTO). Tighten taperlock set screws to 40 in-lbs in even steps (#1 screw, #2 screw and back and forth until there is no screw movement). Now increase the torque to 60+ in-lbs. You can go well above 80 in-lbs, but the hex bit is typically the weak link. Snap-on hex bits will twist at around 60 to 70 in-lbs while APEX is the best we have tested. They yield near 100 in-lbs. Once you have finished torquing, and you are sure the set will not move any further, remove the setscrews one at a time and apply RED loctite and re-torque to 60+ in-lbs. Letting the loctite “set-up” or dry for 24 hrs is very important, plan ahead. The installation process (not including the loctite step) should take about 2 minutes. Do all you can to minimize the time from the frying pan to torquing.
THIS SHOULD TAKE WAY LESS THAN 5 MINUTES.

M. Repeat the process on the top sprocket.
 
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Welcome to MPI, haha. Half the kits work ok with the taper lock and fit just fine, others, well I feel like throwing the whole thing away. Id rather do ten turbos before one supercharger. Anyway, to get the belt on without doing any damage I have found that installing the bottom pulley then putting the belt on the bottom pulley and top pulley at an angle still off the upper shaft. Now, ensure your keyway is lined up and install upper pulley on shaft, it will have and angle and may need to be tapped on the taper lock to seat. It is a huge pain and should be easier than it is. It has been brought to their attention before, but yet we still have to deal with it even though there is a tensioner to take up slack if it were supplied with a longer belt.
 
Wish I could have the balls to say "Welcome to ***" :boxing: Now you know why I'm installing a MCX trubo, sorry things are not so smooth for you Crhis......:face-icon-small-dis
 
Welcome to MPI, haha. Half the kits work ok with the taper lock and fit just fine, others, well I feel like throwing the whole thing away. Id rather do ten turbos before one supercharger. Anyway, to get the belt on without doing any damage I have found that installing the bottom pulley then putting the belt on the bottom pulley and top pulley at an angle still off the upper shaft. Now, ensure your keyway is lined up and install upper pulley on shaft, it will have and angle and may need to be tapped on the taper lock to seat. It is a huge pain and should be easier than it is. It has been brought to their attention before, but yet we still have to deal with it even though there is a tensioner to take up slack if it were supplied with a longer belt.

Thanks for your insights.
How do you handle the HEAT of the Pulley on the Belt??

I am sure MPI and I will have a chat about this next week.
 
Sure enough, MPI read my post and got in touch with me right away.

here is the "Inside Skinny" on this.

#1.
There are no alternative belts that they can use at this time.
This specific belt, with this tooth count and pitch is the only available option.

So a longer belt is just not available at this time.

#2.
Heating the pulleys will make for a longer lasting tighter fit, but is NOT required! MPI guesses that MOST of the Supercharger installation are installed COLD.

Matt told me that they added this step when a few problems stated showing up with the APEX units. Some of them were seeing the pulleys loosening. By heating the pulleys they were able to get a tighter/snugger bite on the shaft that resulted in the pulley staying in place and never coming loose.

#3.
Apparently there are MANY different pulley size combinations that customers can order with this kit. By counting the total number of teeth on the two pulleys you come up with a number that determines the relative ease of difficulty of the installation. My kit has 31 teeth on the lower and 25 teeth on the upper, for a 56 count.

56 just happens to be the MAX possible count that can be supported, and is a great combination for boost on Pump Gas! Drop that count by 1-2 and VOILA, the belt will slide right over both pulleys after they have been installed.

#4.
As for the Keyway and the Keylock on the Supercharger input shaft.
Pound that sucker in with a mallet and don't worry about it!
He said this problem JUST showed up on the last production run of Superchargers that came in. The keyway is just a couple thousands narrow from the norm, but nothing to worry about.


Soooo
What is my solution.
From the horse's mouth....

Heat and install the Lower Pulley as per manual instructions.

Slip the belt on.

Install the upper pulley COLD or WARMED at my option with the belt on.
Full Hot is not required for the Nytro, but more so for the APEX.

Some users that did NOT heat the upper pulley have reported it coming loose. But because of the high tension of the belt, it is all but impossible for the pulley itself to come OFF the shaft while riding. Rather, the long term failure will be wearing down the key.

Solution for COLD mounting the pulley is to eyeball it after each ride to ensure it has not slid out away from the supercharger at all. So long as it remains tightly seated towards the supercharger on the input shaft, there is nothing to worry about.



My Faith in MPI's customer service remains rock solid.
 
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